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eternaltransit Nov 5, 2014 1:48 pm
Originally Posted by gorbatzjov (Post 23795573)
Hmm, Actually might be. I have a mixed booking (Y Flex and Y Saver), and I thought "W" was my fare code. Sorry if I'm mistaken...
In that case your outbound and inbound will be on different fare basis (EK construct fares after return/one-way on an outbound and inbound basis separately) - in the case of a connection at DXB not O&D there, both sectors on an inbound or outbound sectors XXX-DXB-YYY will have the same fare basis (i.e. XXX-DXB and DXB-YYY) but the inbound and outbound can be different. (YYY-DXB and DXB-XXX will be the same though. But different to the reverse route). So you may be able to upgrade one or both of the W basis sectors but not the other saver fare sectors assuming they are the really cheap savers that can't be upgraded before check-in.

ft101 Nov 5, 2014 7:55 pm
Originally Posted by eternaltransit (Post 23797517)
So you may be able to upgrade one or both of the W basis sectors but not the other saver fare sectors assuming they are the really cheap savers that can't be upgraded before check-in.
However, if there's two sets of Fare Rules, the most restrictive condition applies to the entire itinerary.

In effect this means that despite one direction of travel not having the "CHK-IN REWARD UPGRADE" endorsement it effectively does, as the other direction of travel's rule is applied.

Dave Noble Nov 5, 2014 8:09 pm
Originally Posted by ft101 (Post 23799087)
However, if there's two sets of Fare Rules, the most restrictive condition applies to the entire itinerary.

In effect this means that despite one direction of travel not having the "CHK-IN REWARD UPGRADE" endorsement it effectively does, as the other direction of travel's rule is applied.
That depends on the fare rules; it is definitely not always the case that where there are multiple fare componants that the most restrictive applies

ft101 Nov 5, 2014 8:40 pm
Originally Posted by Dave Noble (Post 23799138)
That depends on the fare rules; it is definitely not always the case that where there are multiple fare componants that the most restrictive applies
Are you talking in general or EK specific?

With the fares I've seen on EK (which is not a lot in the scheme of things) they have always started with something like:

Below are the fare rules for your booking. These apply to all passengers on this itinerary and any charges mentioned apply per passenger. Please note that if more than one fare rule is used to arrive at the fare, the most restrictive condition applies for the entire itinerary. View Fare breakdown for any additional fare condition/information.

Dave Noble Nov 5, 2014 9:41 pm
In General and EK specifically

For instance, there are fares which state things such as

Code:
          THE CHANGE FEE APPLIES PER FARE COMPONENT. WHEN
          MORE THAN ONE FARE COMPONENT IS CHANGED THE
          HIGHEST PENALTY OF ANY OF THE CHANGED FARE
          COMPONENTS WILL APPLY."THE CHANGE FEE APPLIES PER FARE COMPONENT."
I can have a fare where one direction has no change penalty and the other has one; when changing a flight on the direction where no change fee applies, no charge is applied - the rules of the other fare componant do not take precedence

There are fares sold on airlines which do have a rule stating that the most restrictive rule applies to whole itinerary, but this is not always the case

The only way to be sure is to read the rules

It wouldn't make sense to have such a restriction on routes where purchasing 2 singles would actually be a smidgen cheaper than buying a return anyway

eshaq786 Nov 6, 2014 3:09 am
Originally Posted by Solihullbluenose (Post 23796812)
That would be logical but doesn't appear to be the case.

My wife flew from BHX last week, and once she had done OLCI called Emirates to try to upgrade, but it appears to ONLY be available at the airport. Fortunately we got to the airport 3 hours before the flight and there was inventory available so she could use the miles to upgrade at that point.

It may be that the inventory wasn't released in advance rather than it being a different interpretation of the rule.
According to Customer Services, they said it would allow you to do it online. There is no way for me to check until the day OLCI opens though. For availability expert flyer says that there are 7 seats open in D bucket.

Would anyone on a saver ticket be able to try and see if they can upgrade using OLCI?

eternaltransit Nov 6, 2014 3:55 am
Originally Posted by Dave Noble (Post 23799462)
In General and EK specifically

For instance, there are fares which state things such as

Code:
          THE CHANGE FEE APPLIES PER FARE COMPONENT. WHEN
          MORE THAN ONE FARE COMPONENT IS CHANGED THE
          HIGHEST PENALTY OF ANY OF THE CHANGED FARE
          COMPONENTS WILL APPLY."THE CHANGE FEE APPLIES PER FARE COMPONENT."
I can have a fare where one direction has no change penalty and the other has one; when changing a flight on the direction where no change fee applies, no charge is applied - the rules of the other fare componant do not take precedence

There are fares sold on airlines which do have a rule stating that the most restrictive rule applies to whole itinerary, but this is not always the case

The only way to be sure is to read the rules

It wouldn't make sense to have such a restriction on routes where purchasing 2 singles would actually be a smidgen cheaper than buying a return anyway
I actually had this situation you mentioned: I had a Y outbound and a W inbound flight, made changes, and the Y outbound was free to make unlimited changes to dates and times and the inbound cost me 50 GBP.

There is one tell tale method in the fare conditions to know whether you have rules that apply to the whole itinerary - if the fare conditions are really long and duplicate themselves - the first lot of them apply to the outbound and the second the inbound!

ft101 Nov 6, 2014 6:37 am
Originally Posted by eshaq786 (Post 23800176)
According to Customer Services, they said it would allow you to do it online. There is no way for me to check until the day OLCI opens though. For availability expert flyer says that there are 7 seats open in D bucket.

Would anyone on a saver ticket be able to try and see if they can upgrade using OLCI?
Yes, I have recently been offered an upgrade at 24 ish hour in advance OLCI when holding a ticket which says "CHK-IN REWARD UPGRADE" in the endorsements.


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