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entropy Mar 6, 2008 10:30 am

I got a slightly different Email, probably intended for GM's...
particularly enjoyed this nugget:
"Due to the antificpated high volume of incoming calls we suggest you complete your flight arrangements prior to the chaneover to the new system"

http://www.nextopic.com/ELAL/Pages/V...243992_3016706

clubman Mar 6, 2008 11:49 am


Originally Posted by steffa (Post 9367105)
i found it strange that the post from LY Insider appeared here two days before i got the very same text in an email as a platinum member - something about priorities that always seems to be a step off beat

Have you actually noticed his handle? LY Insider...

steffa Mar 6, 2008 12:28 pm


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 9367732)
Have you actually noticed his handle? LY Insider...

actually yes - and i still find it curious that the insider chooses to update the forum earlier than platinums - leaving aside the whole question of "what's new?" - no offense to the forum or insider but it just seems like a case of whacked priorities - jmho

mikebg Mar 6, 2008 12:49 pm

To be fair, I think that EL AL felt that it was important to hear out what was being said by a fair number of frequent fliers here on flyertalk. They gave an employee the job to monitor what was being said here. That employee was not necessarily the one who decides on what mailings to send out to GLs, PLs etc. However, once the decision had been bmade to send out the mailings, he was obviously free to post the internal document here.

yosithezet Mar 6, 2008 7:52 pm


Originally Posted by mikebg (Post 9368083)
They gave an employee the job to monitor what was being said here.

I thought that he posted long ago that he is not here officially like the Starwood Lurker but rather as an interested individual who happens to work for LY. Can you clarify please LY Insider? Has LY asked you to monitor and assist on this forum?

Formerly LY Insider Mar 7, 2008 7:34 am


Originally Posted by mikebg (Post 9362741)
That is simply not true. I quote from the EL AL website:

(http://www.elal.co.il/ELAL/English/M...Guaranteed.htm)

Using an upgrade voucher, you can upgrade M, S, Y class tickets to Business Class.

Tickets in C and I classes can be upgraded to First Class.

... ... ... ...

If you would like to upgrade your flight ticket from Economy Class to Business Class, reservations should be made in D or Z class.

If you would like to upgrade your flight ticket from Business Class to First Class, reservations should be made in class A.


The new system is very strange, as it means that if someone wants a First Class ticket they must take one I and one A seat. The current system only uses the A seat. The number of I seats available is not reduced. I can book the A class (for example) 6 months ahead without making any difference to the I seats available (but the number of A seats will be reduced, of course).

Yes, notice that it says that you can upgrade from M, S and Y classes to business class. That was to get people to make the original bookings in M-class and then upgrade to business (subject to availability of Z or D-class). Travel agents would make bookings in Z or D-class and then issue the ticket using the M, S, or Y fare basis even though those seats were not available. There was no way to stop this with Carmel.

Formerly LY Insider Mar 7, 2008 7:39 am


Originally Posted by yosithezet (Post 9370444)
I thought that he posted long ago that he is not here officially like the Starwood Lurker but rather as an interested individual who happens to work for LY. Can you clarify please LY Insider? Has LY asked you to monitor and assist on this forum?

FlyerTalk has not made very many waves in the El Al offices. But many of the El Al employees here are very interested in improving the services we give you and helping you have the greatest experience when flying with El Al. We appreciate all of your ideas and insights.

clubman Mar 7, 2008 8:39 am


Originally Posted by LY Insider (Post 9372178)
FlyerTalk has not made very many waves in the El Al offices. But many of the El Al employees here are very interested in improving the services we give you and helping you have the greatest experience when flying with El Al. We appreciate all of your ideas and insights.

Thank you LY Insider.
It's a shame ELAL officials don't care too much about what their customers have to say on here.
They could learn a thing or two...
BA have their own FT person as do BMI, and some other boards.

At least some of you do care like yourself, and official or not, its nice to have an Insider here! ^

Formerly LY Insider Mar 10, 2008 7:20 am

בהמשך לחוזר 25/2008 שפורסם ב- 5.3.2008 ,אנו מבקשים להודיעך כי מתוך הכרה בחשיבותם של חברי המועדון והבנה לצרכיהם,

אל על בוחנת מחדש את מדיניות ההושבה שלה עם המעבר למערכת ההזמנות החדשה –אמדאוס.

אל על תעשה את מירב המאמצים כדי לאפשר גם לחברים במעמד Tl ,לקבל הושבה מראש.

נשוב ונעדכן אתכם בהקדם באשר למדיניות ההושבה.

entropy Mar 13, 2008 10:21 am

I got another stupid email from El Al with the subject
" EL AL's Seating Policy Upon Launching The New Reservation System"

saying, in a very convoluted sentence, that LY is reconsidering its seating policy but no changes for now.

yosithezet Mar 13, 2008 12:18 pm

I have gotten many of these in the past week. Why send out emails that say you have nothing to say but are thinking about many things?

steffa Mar 15, 2008 11:20 am

does anyone else have a problem
 
with the fact that from now on you have to book S class and then upgrade as compared to the current book D and issue an S class with a voucher?

awayIgo Mar 16, 2008 7:29 am


Originally Posted by steffa (Post 9414289)
with the fact that from now on you have to book S class and then upgrade as compared to the current book D and issue an S class with a voucher?

Yes, I have a problem. Basically what it means that if you are planning a trip, the only way to guarantee there will be space available to upgrade into is to pay way in advance for the ticket. El Al seems to have created a method of having all tickets paid for at time of reservation, instead of making reservations months in advance and paying closer to actual departure time. Despite what El Al says, I feel this is a less flexible program.

hnussbacher Mar 17, 2008 2:15 am


Originally Posted by LY Insider (Post 9361840)
Currently, there is talk of doing this for Platinum, Gold and Silver Matmid members.

I hope not. What if I am not silver and I buy a business class seat - I can't get a seat assignment until checkin? Or if I upgrade with points to business class but am not silver - no seat assignment?

You have my vote against it.

hnussbacher Mar 17, 2008 2:23 am


Originally Posted by steffa (Post 9367965)
actually yes - and i still find it curious that the insider chooses to update the forum earlier than platinums - leaving aside the whole question of "what's new?" - no offense to the forum or insider but it just seems like a case of whacked priorities - jmho

I would hope this won't stop LY Insider from continuing to post. In big, disjointed organizations like Elal, the announcement might have been ready and printed and considered public, but the person who controls the email list might have been out, or had a PC problem or just didn't get to sending out the email.


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