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Originally Posted by steffa
(Post 23836537)
Indeed that is what I am referring to. As I said I pre-upgrade every flight. My earning will go down by approximately 10% and my reward cost increases by 50% percent, totalling 956 points more every trip
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Originally Posted by entropy
(Post 23820928)
? BA has that fuel surcharge, which I believe is still bigger than LY's.
Since LY doesn't have a real US credit card, you have to rely on HAS/Amex, which put a business class flight at 160-200k comparable points to the east coast (vs 120~140k on US competitors). Well, flying to NYC in C class will earn you 320 points per segment. If you are a FLY CARD holder you will getbetween 352 to 384 points. So 4000/352= 11.3 and 4000/384= is 10.4. Annnddd you pay less fuel surcharge than BA. |
Originally Posted by EL AL Rep.
(Post 23837068)
Annnddd you pay less fuel surcharge than BA.
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Originally Posted by damaxer91
(Post 23824320)
What about for those of us in the US?
1. More points for your flights 2. Special Bonus ticket fares 3. Pay+ Points: you can pay for part of your flight tickets (purchased in EL AL's website) with points. and more... For more details visit: http://www.elal.com/en/FrequentFlyer...s/default.aspx |
Originally Posted by EL AL Rep.
(Post 23837068)
Well, flying to NYC in C class will earn you 320 points per segment. If you are a FLY CARD holder you will getbetween 352 to 384 points.
BTW, why do you think it is logical that J fare to LAX earns 220 points, but flying to LAX via NYC (on the same cost, with B6 codeshare) earns 240. So you end up paying B6 for my seat and giving me more points... Where is the logic? |
Originally Posted by awayIgo
(Post 23825778)
This is all a joke. I am a lowly silver whose 2 trips ( with a point/$ upgrade to business) just earned me the 800 points to stay silver. Yes, right before HAAS Advantage "died" I did convert, so I guess I would be eligible for whatever. But, that doesn't take care of my new "downgraded" experience. I have faithfully been flying El Al for more years than I care to admit and I feel like I have been royally scr***d! I just got off the Delta Website and while the business will cost me more--it is a lot more comfortable. ie. 777 still has the crappy angled seat! It is going to take a lot to get me to stay with El Al. It is also real easy to get American Credit cards that give Delta points!
BUT a question. I have a ticket where I am hoping to upgrade with vouchers. I leave for Israel in Dec. but don't return until mid March. Will I still be able to voucher or has that disappeared and will by agent have to figure out some way to keep me in business? As to HAS Advantage , EL AL is checking alternatives and hope to come up with one soon. |
Originally Posted by entropy
(Post 23831271)
banks? plural? You guys don't seem to get it. One bank, one issuer, and have a solid program. From what I can tell, you have "Fly Card" arrangements with a gazillion different Israeli banks. United = Chase, AA=Citi, AS=BofA, DL =AX. And those are real airlines.
And none of your US competitors expire points 3 years after earning them, only if there's no activity in the account. As to FLY CARD, the numbers show that people understand the many advantages they can enjoy if issuing it.
for more details about FLY CARD & FLY CARD Premium visit: http://www.elal.com/en/FrequentFlyer...s/default.aspx |
Liat,
Does the "Executive Circle" offer identical benefits as "Fly Card Premium"? Specifically, does it have the same weight in Last Minute Upgrades? Does it give the same amount of points per flight? |
Originally Posted by EL AL Rep.
(Post 23837150)
Those of who will convert 100 from CC companies or SL/GL/PL/TP members will enjoy the benefits of the EXECUTIVE Circle which will be launched on Feb. 10th, 2015.
In Canada, there are none. Diners Club may offer it- but Diners Club in Canada is only a Corporate Card which has not accepted new applications in almost 9 years.:rolleyes: Amex Canada does not offer any transfer to Matmid. |
Originally Posted by simba8
(Post 23838622)
And what cc companies are those exactly?
In Canada, there are none. I certainly cannot convert my UK Amex MR points to LY. |
Liat--thanks for answering re: upgrade vouchers. My concern now is my ability to stay silver has gone down to zilch!
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U R right. Non of the US competitors expire points after 3 years . EL AL is not flying only to US destinations. In that aspect, you should compare EL AL to European airlines which expire points after 3 years. flying Blue (AF/KL) With Flying Blue, your Award Miles will never expire as long as you take one flight every 20 months on AIR FRANCE, KLM or one of the SkyTeam partners. http://www.flyingblue.com/news/1555/...ing-miles.html British Airways Your Avios stay with you as long as you collect, spend, purchase or share at least one Avios every 36 months — any longer and your Avios will expire and be removed, so remember to take action before those three years are up. http://www.britishairways.com/en-gb/...s-expiry-rules |
Originally Posted by entropy
(Post 23839628)
perhaps the people running Matmid really don't know what their competitors are doing.
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You know, the more I think about it, the more I feel LY have seriously cheated people into taking out their new CC in an aggressive campaign, only to then devaluate the program 3 months later.
Seems like a deliberate move to me... :td: |
I know from a business perspective, El Al's entire operation, from the corporate culture to the anti-competitive policies, to the pathetic FF program, the lousy, behind-the-times hard product and the worn out, old aircraft, make it a disastrous company which is an embarrassment to the State of Israel.
But then, when week after week, even as a TPL, I don't get the upgrade because they manage to sell out the seats in C on their ex-JFK, EWR, LAX and LHR flights - even with the pathetic A/C and sub-par hard product . . . That's the answer. They don't give a damn because, apparently, they don't need to give a damn. Its a wasted opportunity for the company, because they could so easily be so awesome instead of so mediocre, if that. But as long as the Borowich clan doesn't give a crap about maximizing profits and is content with engrossing their egos and "monitin" - then they'll just keep on being crap. |
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