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Originally Posted by joshwex90
(Post 22996260)
I did (and still do) wonder how the pilots make their decision as in both cases, the passengers were already subdued.
Fun fact - in my experience this happens way more often in C and F than in Y, probably due to the free booze... |
With me, it was booze (not me of course :) ). One was in C and one was in Y, but they were both a few years ago, so I don't recall which one landed in EWR and which one landed at the first airport. When we landed, someone wanted to get off (was continuing to YYZ). Besides for the fact that it wasn't allowed and would be really annoying for everyone (including her), the FAs (and then others, including me,) tried explaining that it would be harder to get to YYZ from who-know's-where-airport than from EWR. She never believed us and was cursing all the way at customs in EWR. I smiled on my way to Global Entry :)
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Originally Posted by elal767
(Post 23009987)
Cool. And now for the facts:
http://www.abendzeitung-muenchen.de/...8e43f4e02.html
Originally Posted by elal767
(Post 23009987)
Turns out the guy claimed to have a bomb on board, threatened to blow the plane up, and was restrained by the sky marshalls (who you claimed were not on board, although every child is aware of their presence on Israeli a/c).
Originally Posted by elal767
(Post 23009987)
So go ahead, keep on yapping about how El Al is getting lax on security... I'm sure you will nevertheless find a way to make this fit into the narrative that you have been repeating over and over again on this board in the past few months.
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Originally Posted by ELY001
(Post 23012163)
A German paper, C'mon, you don't have an English or Israeli sourced paper?
That's according to this one and only article. The plethora of articles I read in the Hebrew and English press never mention the guy claiming to have those things and never mentioned skymarshalls restraining the guy. http://mobile.mako.co.il/news-israel...48a6641004.htm Its even in the headline, bro. ;) Do you work for the company? |
elal767, the Mako article doesn't mention a bomb (unless I missed it). But it does say that there was security on board, and that the pilot felt he had no choice but to land to hand the passenger over to the police. Sounds like a reasonable decision
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Originally Posted by joshwex90
(Post 23014562)
elal767, the Mako article doesn't mention a bomb (unless I missed it). But it does say that there was security on board, and that the pilot felt he had no choice but to land to hand the passenger over to the police. Sounds like a reasonable decision
Given EL AL's unique security situation and needs, making an unscheduled landing can pose its own additional security risks. |
Originally Posted by joshwex90
(Post 23014562)
elal767, the Mako article doesn't mention a bomb (unless I missed it).
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Originally Posted by elal767
(Post 23014576)
Yep, the point I was trying to make is,that is says מאבטח השתלט עליו in the headline, and that it is therefore nonsense to try and claim there was no security on board.
In any event, for the record, I never made an affirmative statement of fact whether there was or was not security on board this flight. If you review the posting history of this thread, I asked, pondered, and gave my opinion on the topic (which is different than making an affirmative statement of fact) based on the news articles I read and this unusual situation of an EL AL plane making an unscheduled landing over a unruly passenger, something I believe is a first for this airline in several decades. |
Originally Posted by elal767
(Post 23014576)
Yep, the point I was trying to make is,that is says מאבטח השתלט עליו in the headline, and that it is therefore nonsense to try and claim there was no security on board.
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Originally Posted by joshwex90
(Post 23014623)
Attacking LY for this but refusing to attack every other airline in the world that follows the same protocols smells quite fishy
What's fishy is when a company touts its reputation as the safest airline in the world and yet, reality is different. There is no airline in the world that has the mystique of security EL AL does and which uses it for product differentiation so pervasively. Consequently, if EL AL is no different than anyone else in handling unruly passengers, then the mystique of security is quite frankly just that. |
And to what should really close this topic, all this argument has been pointless (shocker). If you read the initial article posted by the OP, you'll see a few important points:
Based on that last comment, I see 2 reasons to land immediately. One is that you don't joke around with terrorist threats. Two is that he was actively scaring other pax, so it's important that you get him away to calm down the rest of the flight. (BTW, article claims he has German citizenship. A German paper posting the article makes complete sense. Besides for the fact that the flight was headed towards Germany...) |
Originally Posted by joshwex90
(Post 23014647)
Based on that last comment, I see 2 reasons to land immediately. One is that you don't joke around with terrorist threats. Two is that he was actively scaring other pax, so it's important that you get him away to calm down the rest of the flight.
More than any airline in the world, EL AL has experience in dealing with security threats. When taking into account the range of security threats EL AL is faced with, this incident of a drunken unarmed passenger causing a commotion in the cabin is one which should not have caused a flight to make an unscheduled landing given the alleged security expertise of this airline.
Originally Posted by joshwex90
(Post 23014647)
(BTW, article claims he has German citizenship. A German paper posting the article makes complete sense. Besides for the fact that the flight was headed towards Germany...)
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Originally Posted by ELY001
(Post 23014679)
I am confident this is not the first time EL AL had unruly pax causing disturbances of this sort however, I believe, this is the first time in decades that an EL AL flight diverted for such a purpose even though the final destination was a mere hour or so away.
This incident of a drunken unarmed passenger causing a commotion in the cabin is one which should not have caused a flight to make an unscheduled landing given the alleged security expertise of this airline. http://www.iol.co.za/news/world/el-a...9#.U5gj0svfqAg Took about 5 seconds to search for "El Al unruly" on Google and pull this up. But feel free to keep on making an argument based on false assumptions. Agreed, however an article written in the German language in a predominantly English and Hebrew speaking forum offered as proof of an assertion when its safe to presume most aren't fluent in German is not. |
Originally Posted by elal767
(Post 23015056)
Took about 5 seconds to search for "El Al unruly" on Google and pull this up. But feel free to keep on making an argument based on false assumptions.
Originally Posted by elal767
(Post 23015056)
Agreed, however, that's why I summed it up in a few words, and Google Translate is your friend :)
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