FlyerTalk Forums

FlyerTalk Forums (https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/index.php)
-   EL AL | Matmid (https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/el-al-matmid-610/)
-   -   El Al or Lufthansa to TLV? (https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/el-al-matmid/1228170-el-al-lufthansa-tlv.html)

joshwex90 Jun 20, 2011 4:44 pm

Top seats flying to Israel: (my opinion)

From North America
  1. US Envoy
  2. CO BusinessFirst
  3. LY First Class
  4. AC Executive First
  5. LY Business Class

From Europe
  1. LX First Class
  2. BA First
  3. LH First Class
  4. LY First Class (772/744)
  5. BA Club World
  6. TY Business
  7. LY Business Class (772/744)

No experience or knowledge to speak of regarding AF, Alitalia, KLM...

rochel Jun 20, 2011 6:48 pm

Thanks to everyone for your great responses! You have given me a lot of food for thought and things to look into as I plan my trip. All of my travel takes me to Europe or to Japan, so I am going off of the beaten path here and I do appreciate the help.

joshwex90 Jun 20, 2011 7:15 pm


Originally Posted by rochel (Post 16596528)
Thanks to everyone for your great responses! You have given me a lot of food for thought and things to look into as I plan my trip. All of my travel takes me to Europe or to Japan, so I am going off of the beaten path here and I do appreciate the help.

When going to Japan and Europe, do you usually concentrate on one airline?

crazypalooza Jun 20, 2011 8:22 pm

surprised no one mentioned the "safety" being better on elal, not that i buy it for certain, but thats what they say. on a side note, that would be my pick because of the nonstop flights and possibly better food.

joshwex90 Jun 20, 2011 8:29 pm


Originally Posted by crazypalooza (Post 16596967)
surprised no one mentioned the "safety" being better on elal, not that i buy it for certain, but thats what they say. on a side note, that would be my pick because of the nonstop flights and possibly better food.

There's 2 different parts of safety: safety, as in who is safe and doesn't fly like a maniac or crash... security

EL AL is definitely the most secure airline. I feel more secure, especially after knowing more about what goes into EL AL security, than on any other airline.

Safety wise, they seem to be pretty good, just looking at their record.

The non-stop is a benefit to one but a detriment to another who may not like such a long flight. (Though if the other option is LH, DEN-FRA isn't really better.)

Shimon Jun 20, 2011 10:32 pm

I never have had El Al's business class kosher food but the food that Lufthansa serve definitely makes it a tough choice.

Since it sounds like your paying cash I'd go with El Al.

Centurion Jun 20, 2011 10:39 pm

If you can find a way to LH in F than LH for sure. Just remember for your return home if you fly Lufthansa you must check in downstairs at the arrival baggage claim area. I thought it was the a cruel joke the first time.

I agree with previous poster if you can fly El Al with all the black hats it is well worth it.

clubman Jun 21, 2011 12:43 am


Originally Posted by joshwex90 (Post 16596026)
Top seats flying to Israel: (my opinion)

From North America
  1. US Envoy
  2. CO BusinessFirst
  3. LY First Class
  4. AC Executive First
  5. LY Business Class

From Europe
  1. LX First Class
  2. BA First
  3. LH First Class
  4. LY First Class (772/744)
  5. BA Club World
  6. TY Business
  7. LY Business Class (772/744)

With the risk of sounding like I'm disagreeing with a lot of your opinions in this thread... ;) I shall have to disagree once again with some of the above.

A few points:

1. I actually think AC Excutive First is better than LY First (hard product)

2. From Europe, technicaly LX don't fly First to TLV but as they do have a First cabin used as C on their TLV flights I guess it's ok to includen them.
However, it's the old F (for now) and so I would rate BA First above it.

3. No way are LH's first seat (old one which is used to TLV) and LY' First better than BA CW which has a far better seat/bed.

LY first (again, hard product) is so unimpressive and behind the competition I would never actually pay to fly it.

economyman Jun 21, 2011 2:34 am


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 16597918)
3. No way are LH's first seat (old one which is used to TLV) and LY' First better than BA CW which has a far better seat/bed.

LY first (again, hard product) is so unimpressive and behind the competition I would never actually pay to fly it.

I second that opinion. BA's CW is miles better than LY F in terms of the seat, no comparison at all and I've done both many times.

To the OP - loyalty programmes aside, I would choose BA CW if you're happy to make a stop in the UK en-route and US Airways Envoy from PHL if wanting to fly direct. If you truly want the Israeli experience LY is the way to go.

joshwex90 Jun 21, 2011 12:09 pm


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 16597918)
With the risk of sounding like I'm disagreeing with a lot of your opinions in this thread... ;) I shall have to disagree once again with some of the above.

A few points:

1. I actually think AC Excutive First is better than LY First (hard product)

I personally prefer LY First to AC Executive First, because, especially considering the soft product. The only benefit of AC is unrestricted aisle access for everyone.

2. From Europe, technicaly LX don't fly First to TLV but as they do have a First cabin used as C on their TLV flights I guess it's ok to includen them.
However, it's the old F (for now) and so I would rate BA First above it.

The last time I flew LX, (right after Pesach,) they had the new F. Maybe it was an operational change.

3. No way are LH's first seat (old one which is used to TLV) and LY' First better than BA CW which has a far better seat/bed.

Again, I saw the new F for LH, not the old one. Regarding LY F and BW CW, I like LY more because I find it to be a wider seat.

LY first (again, hard product) is so unimpressive and behind the competition I would never actually pay to fly it.

LY F is a great business class

(My responses added in red)

Way to quote my whole post! ;)

clubman Jun 21, 2011 2:54 pm

I would like to respond to your various points but you've made it impossible to quote your post by replying that way... :mad:

joshwex90 Jun 21, 2011 4:47 pm

A simple Ctrl C + Ctrl V does the trick ;)

LiorM Jun 21, 2011 10:18 pm


Originally Posted by rochel (Post 16595195)
You know, this really factors into my thinking quite a bit! This is my first time in Israel and I am very excited. So the thought of flying El Al seemed like the "whole package" to me.

Next month i will fly to Viena for the first time.
Do i need to fly with Austrian Airlines or can i fly with Elal?

LiorM

Houminer Jun 22, 2011 12:01 am


Originally Posted by LiorM (Post 16603971)
Next month i will fly to Viena for the first time.
Do i need to fly with Austrian Airlines or can i fly with Elal?

LiorM

Austrian - Yuck (both in Y and C)

joshwex90 Jun 22, 2011 7:07 am


Originally Posted by LiorM (Post 16603971)
Next month i will fly to Viena for the first time.
Do i need to fly with Austrian Airlines or can i fly with Elal?

LiorM

Scary enough as it sounds, I'd much more prefer the "Israeli experience" to the "Austrian experience" ;)


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 1:05 am.


This site is owned, operated, and maintained by MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Designated trademarks are the property of their respective owners.