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BiziBB Dec 6, 2007 6:46 pm

To Eat or Not to Eat: More or less red meat?
 
Since the ongoing debate of the place of red meat (specifically fresh cuts of beef rather than ground/minced/smallgoods products) continues, I thought I could share this unusual study.

It reminds me of the 'protein' diets of a few years ago.

Do you tend to ration your consumption more these days, to special occasions or dining out (or eat smaller portions) of beef, or do you consider your consumption is fairly balanced with fruit, veg and other meats/fish?


High protein diet helps men slim: study
A diet rich in red meat can help overweight men shed layers of dangerous tummy fat, a new Australian study has found.

The findings from the CSIRO study suggest high protein intake effectively strips abdominal weight, but opponents of the diet say eating extra meat comes with its own risk, cancelling out the benefits.

...The study compared a diet high in protein, red meat and fibre with one high in carbohydrate and fibre.

....Trials on more than 100 overweight and obese men found that both diets led to similar weight losses. However, the high protein diet was more effective at reducing abdominal fat levels.

The CSIRO study, presented in Auckland, was partly funded by Meat and Livestock Australia.


cubbie Dec 6, 2007 6:57 pm

At times when the arthritis in my wrists is acting up, I try to cut back on all forms of protein, not just red meat but the other white meats too. On the other hand, years of long distance running and tae-kwon do (see above, arthritis in wrists) taught me that rebuilding sore, damage muscle is best done with meat, ideally red meat. Just my personal experience.

cubbie Dec 6, 2007 7:06 pm

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fly4funsea Dec 6, 2007 7:24 pm

It is no surprise how the outcome of the study came out considering who the sponsor's were. That aside I say MORE red meat and make it bloody!

BiziBB Dec 6, 2007 8:39 pm

It's timely that a positive study come out soon after the study advocating reduced consumption of red meat (or at least smallgoods) in light of the cancer risks.

It's hard to give it up but not so hard to save it for a few days a week.

I'm aiming to eat red meat 3 times a week or less, or at least in much smaller portions four times a week. :)

Eastbay1K Dec 6, 2007 9:08 pm

Are the Australians in the study eating 100% grassfed beef with no polluting corn, even to "finish it"? You cannot compare the US beef supply (generally) and its health (un)benefits with beef consumed in the grass-fed world. In any event, when I eat beef, it is usually "out" because other than the grill, most home cooking techniques aren't going to be as good (such as our ovens don't get hot enough, etc.)

Happyguy Dec 7, 2007 8:44 am

I eat red-meat about once per week, only when I am out. I do not ration my consumption, I just don't crave it that often.

Happyguy Dec 7, 2007 8:46 am

Between this thread and the other one talking about burgers I now crave a five guys burger for lunch!

Rejuvenated Dec 7, 2007 1:00 pm

On average I tend to consumer red meat less than some other people I know of. I'm consuming more fish than red meat these days.

Happyguy Dec 7, 2007 1:50 pm


Originally Posted by Rejuvenated (Post 8856372)
On average I tend to consumer red meat less than some other people I know of. I'm consuming more fish than red meat these days.

Do we need to be concerned about mecury if we eat to much fish?

LittleRedFlyer Dec 9, 2007 5:40 pm

I'd love to have the willpower to just say "no" to red meat, but I do love a good steak. All things in moderation. If you're eating red meat 6 out of 7 days, that can't be good. But I think you should treat yourself every once in awhile.

chamonix Dec 9, 2007 6:01 pm


...The study compared a diet high in protein, red meat and fibre with one high in carbohydrate and fibre.

....Trials on more than 100 overweight and obese men found that both diets led to similar weight losses. However, the high protein diet was more effective at reducing abdominal fat levels.
The important thing to note here is that "both diets led to similar weight loss". So, really, all they found was that

the high protein diet was more effective at reducing abdominal fat
. So, it's not that a high protein diet really made them lose tummy fat, it was that a non-high carb diet made them lose more abdominal fat. So, it would be just as true to write that their study found that "a low carbohydrate diet led to more abdominal fat loss".

It's all in the spin, and yes, the meat industry would love for you to think you'll get those results by ADDING MORE red meat to your diet. WRONG! You would have to lower your carb intake too if you wanted to replicate the study parameters and results. That will lead to the same loss of abdominal fat, no matter if you eat a diet high in red meat or not. ^ (and really, since when did "high protein" mean the same thing as "high in red meat"??)

~~chamonix, who loves a good steak and who has lost 75 pounds in the last 2 years

3timesalady Dec 11, 2007 9:00 am

On average, I consume no red meat. Or any other meat. :)

HomeAgain Dec 11, 2007 2:21 pm


Originally Posted by Happyguy (Post 8856708)
Do we need to be concerned about mecury if we eat to much fish?

I gave up on that one, Happyguy. Like many Americans, I grew up eating red meat almost every day. Then, as I got older and started reading more about the health benefits of fish, I tried to go more on that route. Then they come out and tell us that the mercury in the fish will rot your brain. You can't win.



So, I assume eating fish a couple nights a week won't kill me and if it does, well, the sushi was worth it...

chuckd Dec 11, 2007 2:31 pm


Originally Posted by Happyguy (Post 8854893)
Between this thread and the other one talking about burgers I now crave a five guys burger for lunch!

I just got a 5 guys burgers flyer in the mail. I had never heard of them, but thought I might give them a shot.

As for the topic at hand, I eat what I feel like when I feel like eating it, provided it can be done with a minimum of hassle on my part. Thankfully, my mom lives nearby and, despite my rising age, she still likes to cook tons of food for me on the weekend. So I guess my real answer is I eat more or less red meat when my mom cooks more or less red meat. When I eat out I go for fish if possible, a burger is my second choice.


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