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United_727 Nov 19, 2011 7:44 am

You can add ROC to the list of having both a McD and a Subway past security.

Kevin AA Nov 20, 2011 7:15 pm

I'm not a big fan of McDonald's but I'll eat their breakfast at the airport occasionally. Burger King breakfast, on the other hand, is totally disgusting :td:

exbayern Nov 21, 2011 11:51 am


Originally Posted by Ancien Maestro (Post 17282664)
Open up a McDonalds, in airports and the threat to viability of other outlets come into question, as consumers flock to the fastest, price competitive option.

That may be true in North America but I don't think that it holds true around the globe.

I can think of a few McDonalds which really only get business as they are convenient rest stops based on their bathrooms. The ones in Himalchal Pradesh and Uttar Pradesh come to mind. The one in the Getreidegasse has been there for decades, and while it may be a destination for Americans, I know locals who will use it as a pit stop only.

It's a chilly weekend in central Europe, and the local mall where I am this week was crowded. On the upper level (cannot call it a food court), every eatery had people seated and waiting, from Lebanese to sushi to Indian to German seafood. Only the McDonalds had one or two customers at a time. Outside in the pedestrian zone there was not a single customer at the McCafe window, while the local coffee houses were full.

The McDonalds at MUC doesn't seem to do a roaring business, and I doubt that the other eateries are that concerned about losing business to them. I often have to wait a very long time at the local Turkish fast food at MUC, and that for instance hasn't changed since McDonalds took over from Burger King.

Ancien Maestro Nov 21, 2011 10:32 pm


Originally Posted by exbayern (Post 17491938)
That may be true in North America but I don't think that it holds true around the globe.

I can think of a few McDonalds which really only get business as they are convenient rest stops based on their bathrooms. The ones in Himalchal Pradesh and Uttar Pradesh come to mind. The one in the Getreidegasse has been there for decades, and while it may be a destination for Americans, I know locals who will use it as a pit stop only.

It's a chilly weekend in central Europe, and the local mall where I am this week was crowded. On the upper level (cannot call it a food court), every eatery had people seated and waiting, from Lebanese to sushi to Indian to German seafood. Only the McDonalds had one or two customers at a time. Outside in the pedestrian zone there was not a single customer at the McCafe window, while the local coffee houses were full.

The McDonalds at MUC doesn't seem to do a roaring business, and I doubt that the other eateries are that concerned about losing business to them. I often have to wait a very long time at the local Turkish fast food at MUC, and that for instance hasn't changed since McDonalds took over from Burger King.

You are correct.. as you know my flying experience is basically within NA confines..:)

N830MH Nov 21, 2011 10:59 pm


Originally Posted by Kevin AA (Post 17488105)
I'm not a big fan of McDonald's but I'll eat their breakfast at the airport occasionally. Burger King breakfast, on the other hand, is totally disgusting :td:

Me, either. I won't eat at McDonalds anymore. It's so disgusting! I dislike to eat at McDonalds. This is unhealthy foods.

In-N-Out Burger is a best fast-food. IT is numbered#1 in the finest world. I like go to eat at In-N-Out Burger. It's so delicious!

CMK10 Nov 22, 2011 11:15 am


Originally Posted by N830MH (Post 17495603)
Me, either. I won't eat at McDonalds anymore. It's so disgusting! I dislike to eat at McDonalds. This is unhealthy foods.

In-N-Out Burger is a best fast-food. IT is numbered#1 in the finest world. I like go to eat at In-N-Out Burger. It's so delicious!

You do realize a Double Double is 670 calories with 41 grams of fat, right?

Ancien Maestro Nov 22, 2011 7:51 pm


Originally Posted by N830MH (Post 17495603)
Me, either. I won't eat at McDonalds anymore. It's so disgusting! I dislike to eat at McDonalds. This is unhealthy foods.

In-N-Out Burger is a best fast-food. IT is numbered#1 in the finest world. I like go to eat at In-N-Out Burger. It's so delicious!


Originally Posted by CMK10 (Post 17498342)
You do realize a Double Double is 670 calories with 41 grams of fat, right?

:D

I actually like the Meal salads and juices at McDonalds.. actually pretty healthy meal to have on the go.:)

RustyC Apr 13, 2013 12:47 am

McDonald's exec says "service is broken" (at McDonald's)
 
Read all about it


The company told franchisees during a webcast last month that 20 percent of complaints were related to workers’ attitudes, “and it’s increasing,” according to the Wall Street Journal. Gripes about “rude or unprofessional employees” topped the list, and complaints that it took too long to get food increased “significantly,” over the last six months.
In related news, bears still tend to relieve themselves in the woods...

Seriously, though, the conditions for employees are probably stressful and the pay of course very low, and complaints about treatment always grate the most, even if they started as a complaint about something else.

Drive-thrus can be a disaster, though I'm always amazed how many people will sit in a 6 or 7-car line and inevitably get stuck behind someone with a large and/or varied order (the kind that really gum things up) rather than park and walk inside.

But even if you do go inside, you're still subject to my biggest pet peeve: They don't count the time it takes to get your order taken. They only count from when the order is taken to when it's delivered, and employees tend to punch it out as complete well before it's delivered. But by not measuring the initial wait, they just ensure the problem gets shifted there.

McCafe tends to slow things down if it takes from the same resources as the rest of the operation, as it usually does. The classic fast-food mistake is to try to have too big a menu, to where inevitably someone will order something that's not ready to go and either jam the drive-thru or be sent to the pullover area (if there is one).

Some problems are obviously inadequate training, and if they get behind on the fries, it pulls the whole operation down.

I give McD's credit at least for trying harder than most. They're much better overseas on consistency of quality than the competition, and years ago they finally bit the bullet and redesigned the kitchens to try to make the food fresher (the post-redesign ones have people pulling patties out of small drawers).

In this case, though, I think the most basic problem is that they need people who'll work both hard and smart, and those that would aren't gonna go for the wages (a part I doubt they'd even consider changing). So we'll probably get this same discussion in 10 or 20 years from now.

sonofzeus Apr 13, 2013 3:58 am

Went to McD yesterday for breakfast. Handed the cashier my BOGO coupon, gave her my order, paid her and waited 7 minutes for my (predictably mediocre) food. Easiest buck I ever spent. I'll visit again in 6-7 months.

TrojanHorse Apr 13, 2013 6:02 am

My two problems with this type of fast food

1. Language, English is seldom spoken or understood

2. Drivethru - waits - not so much that there are five cars in front of me, I knew that when I pulled in, but when you have one problem child (car), make that car pull up in a waiting zone and have one of your staff bring it out when its ready and then process the rest, it would move the line much faster. If the line moves faster, less complaints

Kagehitokiri Apr 13, 2013 7:22 am

not just mcdonalds

part of why there is bad service is that it is tolerated

i think many complaints are more about complaining for the sake of complaining (and sometimes trying to act superior) especially anonymous complaints on the internet, than actually having real service standards (obviously not talking about the majority of flyertalk)

i disagree with washington post food critic that people are caring more about service
(foodies may not even care if food tastes good)

Crazyhotelguy Apr 13, 2013 7:36 am


Originally Posted by TrojanHorse (Post 20584709)
My two problems with this type of fast food

1. Language, English is seldom spoken or understood

2. Drivethru - waits - not so much that there are five cars in front of me, I knew that when I pulled in, but when you have one problem child (car), make that car pull up in a waiting zone and have one of your staff bring it out when its ready and then process the rest, it would move the line much faster. If the line moves faster, less complaints

These are my peeves as well, . 1 is a huge issue in MCO where I live...

Sweet Willie Apr 13, 2013 9:46 am

moving to Dining Buzz forum,

Willie
co mod OMNI forums

Braindrain Apr 13, 2013 9:56 am

Obvioiusly not talking about the McD's in Japan, where the service is excellent. Worst McD's I ever went to was in IST, where the front staff actively ignored you.

Starblazer Apr 13, 2013 12:09 pm

Pay, hiring, benefits. All part of the equation. However, management doesn't look at it like that.


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