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Originally Posted by Taiwaned
Agree completely.
Always wondered why Kobe beef in North America tasted different then in Japan. I prefer the actual Kobe because it is richer in taste. I initially thought it was the water or feed but now I just feel ripped off. |
Kobe beef is beef made from cows that are fed a diet enriched with beer and massaged lovingly by attendants in Kobe, Hyogo, Japan. Japanese Kobe Beef is well marbled and very tender. The attention and time given to the cows is said to produce the best beef and gives Kobe beef a high cost. There are mainly four breeds in wa-gyu (wa means Japanese and gyu means cattle): Japanese Black, Japanese Brown, Japanese Polled, and Japanese Shorthorn. Japanese Kobe Beef is from Tajima-ushi, which is one of Japanese Black. Tajima-ushi are fed on natural feed such as barley, wheat bran, and grass, and good water in Tajima region. Among Tajima-ushi, beef which meet special criteria become Kobe Beef. The beef must be ranked in Grade A or B with fat BMS number 6 and over by Japanese Association of Meat Ranking. It's said that only 3000-4000 Kobe Beef are available per year in Japan. Wagyu > Tajima > Tajima-ushi > quality criterion to become "Kobe" |
Originally Posted by obscure2k
Vicente Foods in Southern California (zip 90049) sells the real deal: Wagyu Beef @ $160.00 per pound. They even do occasional tastings. This is the same beef which is featured at Cut, the Wolfgang Puck steakhouse in Beverly Hills (they charge $160 for 8 oz's). I have spoken to the reps from the Waygu Steaks and they say that this beef is only sold in SoCal at Vicente Foods and served at Cut and Melisse. I specifically asked about Japanese beef sold on Sawtelle Blvd in Japanese markets and was told that the beef sold as "Kobe" or Wagyu" was, in fact, Japanese-American hybrid beef.
Yummmm! ^ |
Originally Posted by meducate
I had the true Japanese Wagyu NY Strip at Cut last weekend and it was amazing! I also tasted the Amercian version and it was quite tasty as well.
Yummmm! ^ |
"This is A-5 Kobe beef..."
I was in a restaurant on South Padre Island, TX last week and one of the specials was some sort of platter which contained Kobe beef. The platter also had assorted shellfish and was about $100.
I asked the waiter what grade it was, he checked with the kitchen and reported back a few minutes later that it was A-5. Now, I've had Wagyu in Japan and my understanding is the A-5 is pretty rare. Is it even possible to get A-5 in the States, and any thoughts on whether the chef/waiter was just full of himself and it was actually a lower grade? I didn't order it (which was probably for the better) and had an otherwise mediocre meal. |
for years true Kobe beef was not allowed to be imported. Last year in Palm Springs at the La Quinta resort, there was a kobe beef appetizer, I inquired (as I always do) if it was waygu, the waiter was very proud to state that it was real kobe, even brought out a certificate explaining that it was true kobe. The food & bev director as well as the chef came out to see how we liked it^
Long way of saying that yes Kobe is allowed to be imported now, I couldn't answer the grade question. |
A5 is a japanese wagyu rating correct?
while kobe/mishima/etc are from that specific region. good places will have "A5"/etc on the menu. not sure about kobe/mishima/etc though. could ask about what Sweet Willie mentioned. >
Originally Posted by Sweet Willie
(Post 11430530)
even brought out a certificate explaining that it was true kobe. The food & bev director as well as the chef came out to see how we liked it^
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This place in Tucson claims to use Kobe beef but when I asked if it were true Kobe, I was told its Imported Kobe Cattle raised in Washington St.
http://www.foxrc.com/zinburger.html not quite what I expected |
I've had A5 kobe beef at Urasawa and Cut down here in LA. The one at Urasawa was better but IMO the beef is basically just way too rich and buttery. It's like eating foie gras...it melts in your mouth and is wonderful but because of sensory overload you can only take a small amount.
I can't imagine eating like a 16 oz steak of kobe beef...so the small 4oz or 6 oz portions are fine for the table. |
Wolfgang Puck's Cut in Vegas has the real deal. 10 ounces of rib eye and as someone indicated previously, after about half it was getting to be too much. But that didn't stop me from finishing it :).
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Originally Posted by kingalien
(Post 11435367)
Wolfgang Puck's Cut in Vegas has the real deal. 10 ounces of rib eye and as someone indicated previously, after about half it was getting to be too much. But that didn't stop me from finishing it :).
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Wolfgang Puck's Cut in Vegas has the real deal. 10 ounces of rib eye and as someone indicated previously, after about half it was getting to be too much. But that didn't stop me from finishing it
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Originally Posted by Peterpack
(Post 11443589)
How much did that steak set you back mate ?
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Originally Posted by fs2k2isfun
(Post 11430213)
I was in a restaurant on South Padre Island, TX last week and one of the specials was some sort of platter which contained Kobe beef. The platter also had assorted shellfish and was about $100.
I asked the waiter what grade it was, he checked with the kitchen and reported back a few minutes later that it was A-5. Now, I've had Wagyu in Japan and my understanding is the A-5 is pretty rare. Is it even possible to get A-5 in the States, and any thoughts on whether the chef/waiter was just full of himself and it was actually a lower grade? I didn't order it (which was probably for the better) and had an otherwise mediocre meal. The place ain't perzactly chic. |
Originally Posted by Lufthomie
This place in Tucson claims to use Kobe beef but when I asked if it were true Kobe, I was told its Imported Kobe Cattle raised in Washington St.
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