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uk1 Jun 29, 2011 12:03 am


Originally Posted by cordelli (Post 16642294)
There's a UK Gourmet store a few miles up the road, I'll hit them up next week and see if they have some, if not I found a place that has reasonable slow shipping from the UK, I'll order some and send you some

I'm afraid you won't get them there.

These are packaged for and sold by Waitrose here in the UK.

N830MH Jun 29, 2011 11:30 pm


Originally Posted by kipper (Post 16642620)
Thank you! We can coordinate offline how much I owe you for them. :D

You don't have owe his money. You have to pay for it. :)

swag Jan 15, 2013 7:09 am

Here's an interesting list from USA Today. I haven't been to the places mentioned, but the criteria they use make it sound promising.


In assembling our list of the country's best bagels, we used rather strict criteria. The bagels needed to be produced in adherence with the old-fashioned style: that means boiling instead of steaming, hand-rolled instead of machine-rolled (made entirely by hand is preferable), and once the product is finished, it shouldn't be the size of your head (that's actually a modern adjustment; they had to be made larger in order to be used as sandwich bread).

Also, a bagel should taste like a bagel. That should go without saying, but many store-bought bagels (and, we'll admit, most of the ones we get from bagel carts in New York), simply taste like round bread. A bagel has a malty sweetness that takes some nuance to get just right. Also, the crust needs to be an actual crust. If you squeeze it in your hand and it springs right back, that's not a bagel. When bitten into it should give slightly before the crust crunches away, and the resulting bite should be chewy without being dense, light without being airy, and deeply satisfying.

Also, crazy flavors and cream cheese varieties do not a great bagel make. Your jalapeño-Asiago bagel with bacon-Cheddar-scallion cream cheese is probably delicious, but if your plain bagel with plain cream cheese isn't up to snuff, you're not on the list. We also decided against including Montreal-style bagels, which are different creatures entirely.
They pick 8 in the five boroughs, and another 8 around the country.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/travel...agels/1834217/

Sweet Willie Jan 15, 2013 9:25 am


Originally Posted by Uniter (Post 5836013)
Canadians make the best bagels ... if you're looking for something to use as a hockey puck. :)

being a typical NYer or have you actually been to Montreal and tasted.

Originally Posted by swag (Post 20050290)

Thanks for posting swag.

For Chicago area, the article lists Kaufman's & NYC Bagel & Bialy. My go to is NYC Bagel & Bialy www.newyorkbagelandbialy.net

Although a few months ago while picking up some corned beef from www.romaniankoshersausage.com (best corned beef in Chicago IMO), I bumped into fellow FTer plainsman, who was with a friend who had grown up in NYC) that said her favorite in Chicago is: www.bagelcountry.com Sadly, I have yet to get there.

h15t0r1an Jan 15, 2013 9:50 am

How far *outside* NYC ya wanna go?
 
Beigel Bake in Brick Lane, London E1
handrolled, boiled, all the making right in front of you.
baker's dozen has been known.

Get them 2am Sunday morning coming home from Saturday night out, together with the Sunday papers.

MSchott Jan 15, 2013 10:03 am

Detroit has a few top notch bagel shops. The Detroit Bagel Factory is excellent and has multiple locations. The New York Bagel locations are excellent as well.

Dovster Jan 15, 2013 10:35 am


Originally Posted by swag (Post 20050290)
Here's an interesting list from USA Today. I haven't been to the places mentioned, but the criteria they use make it sound promising.



They pick 8 in the five boroughs, and another 8 around the country.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/travel...agels/1834217/

Interestingly enough, the # 2 on the list of best bagels in NYC is Tal's. I wonder if it is owned by the same people I mentioned in this post:



Originally Posted by Dovster (Post 5806225)
Believe it or not, until a few years ago bagels were unknown in Israel!

Today, there are several places where you can get acceptable bagels but the best are at Tal Bagels in Tel Aviv. They also have great shmears to put on them, including excellent chopped liver.




Originally Posted by Canarsie (Post 5836271)
*I still have not yet tried the bagels in Montréal...

Forget Montreal! Have you tried BB's Bagels, Alpharetta, Ga? It is near you and listed on the USA Today list as the 2nd best bagels outside of New York.

Canarsie Jan 15, 2013 11:30 am


Originally Posted by Dovster (Post 20051569)
Have you tried BB's Bagels, Alpharetta, Ga? It is near you and listed on the USA Today list as the 2nd best bagels outside of New York.

I had never heard of them until now.

I just took a look at their Internet web site, and the bagels actually do appear to resemble New York-style bagels.

Their nearest location is almost 25 miles away from where I am based. I was in that area twice last month and wish I would have known about it, but I otherwise am rarely there, so it might be some time before I visit...

empedocles Jan 15, 2013 12:40 pm


Originally Posted by the USA Today Article
Also, crazy flavors and cream cheese varieties do not a great bagel make. Your jalapeño-Asiago bagel with bacon-Cheddar-scallion cream cheese is probably delicious, but if your plain bagel with plain cream cheese isn't up to snuff, you're not on the list.

And yet all of the pictures are of bagels coated with everything or filled with everything including the kitchen sink. :rolleyes:

dfwoods Jan 15, 2013 1:57 pm


Originally Posted by Sweet Willie (Post 20051055)
being a typical NYer or have you actually been to Montreal and tasted.
Thanks for posting swag.

For Chicago area, the article lists Kaufman's & NYC Bagel & Bialy. My go to is NYC Bagel & Bialy www.newyorkbagelandbialy.net

Although a few months ago while picking up some corned beef from www.romaniankoshersausage.com (best corned beef in Chicago IMO), I bumped into fellow FTer plainsman, who was with a friend who had grown up in NYC) that said her favorite in Chicago is: www.bagelcountry.com Sadly, I have yet to get there.

I don't know if owned by the same people, but I find NYB&B on Dempster in Skokie to be essentially identical to the one on Touhy (the link above.) And you cannot go wrong with either of those or Kaufman's. During the couple of years they were rebuilding at Kaufman's, Bette sent her customers to NYB&B as an alternative.

Sweet Willie Jan 15, 2013 2:34 pm


Originally Posted by dfwoods (Post 20053046)
I don't know if owned by the same people, but I find NYB&B on Dempster in Skokie to be essentially identical to the one on Touhy (the link above.)

I feel the same and also about the NYB&B on Dempster in Niles.

EWRfflyer Jan 17, 2013 9:43 am

Fanwood Bagel in Fanwood, NJ about 60 mins from NYC

beachmouse Jan 17, 2013 1:42 pm

My sister lived in NYC for five years and claims that Ray's New York Bagels- available in the freezer section of Publix and other middlebrow grocers- are better than just about any place she's tried outside of NYC that makes their bagels on-site. Allegedly it's the whole needs the NYC water thing.

macdonaldj2 Jan 18, 2013 8:56 am

I grew up in NY - upstate...best bagels I've found outside of NY in a place I've lived is The Hot Bagel Shop in Houston TX...always a line on Sunday mornings, place is FANTASTIC

nba1017 Jan 20, 2013 12:34 pm

Kaufmann's in Skokie is pretty good. I think NY Bagel and Bialy has slightly better bagels, but Kaufmann's will make sandwiches.

Outside of DC, just past Arlington and by George Mason, there's a joint called The Italian Place which has very, very good bagels and even better NY pizza.

Corky and Lenny's on Cleveland's East Side is very authentic.

uk1 Jan 20, 2013 5:15 pm

As many know, the Jews made their way to the East End of London before any finally found their way to NYC. So, for many of us the bagel yearnings started down the same streets that were trodden by Jack the Ripper. In fact if Jack had tasted the bagels from Brick Lane I'm quite certain that he would have soon learned how to swear in Yiddish and he would have been distracted from his other hobby.

So obsessed with the yearnings did I become later in life for the sweet chewishness of a Jewish bagel that it isn't unknown for desperation to win and for me to drive all the way from my home to Brick Lane - a round trip of 5 hours to buy a dozen bagels, having carefully requested the burnt ones. This had to stop.

Now here is the thing.

What idiot concluded that the best thing you can teach a kid at school is woodwork? OK, a bookend is a beautiful and useful thing. And they do make mothers proud. But why (oh why) do they not teach men to make bagels?

Anyway, I make bagels. I read everything I could, I tried every idea and I ended up with what I remember and yearn for and like ... but a bit better. I make wonderful bagels. Anyone can make bagels. And after a few goes they will taste better than any you can buy. And the uglier and less consistant they are ... and the bigger they are ... the better they are. A few hours from now ... when the urge hits that vulnerable mark ... you can be eating bagels without even going out.

Ladies and gentleman .... make bagels!!!!!!!

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MonicaL Jan 20, 2013 9:58 pm

Does wonderful = burnt? :D

uk1 Jan 21, 2013 4:55 am


Originally Posted by MonicaL (Post 20090951)
Does wonderful = burnt? :D

Never underestimate the competition for the burnt ones. :p

thetoness Jan 21, 2013 9:44 am

Share your recipe
 
UK1 what a great idea! Can you share your recipe and methods?

buckeyefanflyer Jan 21, 2013 10:04 am

I wounder where the bagels at the United Club come from. Probably varies by location.

Uniter Jan 22, 2013 8:04 am

UK1 - those bagels looking flippin' amazing. Tremendous job, man!

uk1 Jan 22, 2013 10:28 am


Originally Posted by Uniter (Post 20099623)
UK1 - those bagels looking flippin' amazing. Tremendous job, man!

Thanks .... how kind. I'm proud of my bagels.

I was simply a desperate man yearning for a proper onion bagel ... but the plain ones are really gorgeous. Can you taste them from the picture?:D

There is something special about that late night yearning .... and bagels will always be associated for me with leaving a club in Soho and making my way to the East End .... but simply being able to make some. I think it's yearning - and not having - that makes the yearning even more painful.

I'm afraid ... at this very moment I have a couple of baguettes in the oven .......

BuildingMyBento Jan 26, 2013 5:32 pm


Originally Posted by uk1 (Post 20100665)
Thanks .... how kind. I'm proud of my bagels.

I was simply a desperate man yearning for a proper onion bagel ... but the plain ones are really gorgeous. Can you taste them from the picture?:D

There is something special about that late night yearning .... and bagels will always be associated for me with leaving a club in Soho and making my way to the East End .... but simply being able to make some. I think it's yearning - and not having - that makes the yearning even more painful.

I'm afraid ... at this very moment I have a couple of baguettes in the oven .......

Not boiled?

Flying Machine Jan 26, 2013 7:07 pm

http://www.bagelfactoryinc.com/locations.php this is the location page go to the home page for video..

I must say that the Bagel Factory is my go to spot in Los Angeles, I have been to all 3 locations. I rate them: The Cadillac Location the best.. Just north of LAX ( National Exit on 405N ) is the Sepulveda Location and holding the Second Spot, and Batting Clean Up Torrance but still very Solid.. Only difference is "Turn Over" which to me is important for eating fresh. Good Cream Cheese too.. If your are going to freeze and eat at another time all are the best ( IMHO Warm in Oven do not toast for best results )

FT worthy, I heard that they are not that great but.. Larry Kings Brooklyn Water Bagel is opening on Sepulveda ( just a short walk from In and Out for you guys on a lay over ) they are soon to open ( its been under construction for over a year now), must of had issues but seems to have some movement of late and looks like it should open real soon.. Happy Eating and Safe Travels

uk1 Jan 27, 2013 3:20 am


Originally Posted by BuildingMyBento (Post 20130268)
Not boiled?

They aren't dumplings!:D

They are boiled for 60 seconds - then baked.

Try it!

Mr. Vker Jan 27, 2013 7:04 am

We just had a great bagel place open near us in Cockeysville. Goldberg's. They are as good as bagels I have had in NY. I pick them up before 2pm on Friday. A regular Saturday treat now.

Dovster Jan 27, 2013 7:49 am


Originally Posted by Mr. Vker (Post 20132497)
We just had a great bagel place open near us in Cockeysville. Goldberg's. They are as good as bagels I have had in NY. I pick them up before 2pm on Friday. A regular Saturday treat now.

Does Goldberg snip a bit off of the Cockeysville bagels when they come out of the oven?

RichardInSF Jan 27, 2013 11:39 am

The House of Bagels mini-chain in the San Francisco Bay area makes decent real bagels, even if most of the owners are of Asian origin.

If you happen to be in Palo Alto, California, try Izzy's Brooklyn Bagels on California Avenue. Boiled, kosher, yet open Saturday (presumably with non-Jewish bakers). The main problem with Izzy's is it tends to close at 2 or 3 pm.

After having a bagel at Izzy's, to round off the experience, walk three blocks down California Ave to the hole-in-the-wall Cho's Mandarin Dimsum, kosher bagels followed by pork pot stickers!

As to those who think Noah's Bagels are edible, on behalf of bagel makers everywhere, I apologize.

Uniter Jan 28, 2013 1:01 pm

A few weeks ago, I had a toasted everything bagel, lox, cream cheese, onion, tomato, and capers at Olde World Bagels in Colorado Springs, Colorado. (Across the street from a decent Doubletree hotel, btw).

This place is pretty far from NYC ... but damn, it was legit. If you ever find yourself out there, it's worth a drive to this place.

http://www.oldeworldbagel.com/

RatherBeOnATrain Apr 12, 2015 4:17 pm


Originally Posted by Dovster (Post 20051569)
Have you tried BB's Bagels, Alpharetta, Ga? It is near you and listed on the USA Today list as the 2nd best bagels outside of New York.

Anyone had a chance to try BB's Bagels?

uk1 Apr 13, 2015 1:28 am

An unapologetic plug to make people yearn to make far superior bagels at home ....... I give you my absolute word that you will never buy a bagel out that is as good as a home-baked bagel .... once you get the technique, then you will be hooked. The Bagel yearnings will creep up and get you ... particularly late at night. Have you ever smelled baking bagels in your own kitchen late at night......?

This was the last patch cooked in the pizza oven. Soft tops, chewy sweet middles and lovely pert bottoms! They must all be different shapes and some charred. Process with a couple of batches of finished bagels just before scoffing.


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Nanook Apr 16, 2015 8:48 am


Originally Posted by RichardInSF (Post 20133798)
The House of Bagels mini-chain in the San Francisco Bay area makes decent real bagels, even if most of the owners are of Asian origin.

Love House of Bagels...used to go there every Sunday when I lived in SF.

BamaVol Apr 16, 2015 2:47 pm


Originally Posted by Sweet Willie (Post 5762072)

I have to agree. I don't know the specific bakery, but one of our consultants used to fly regularly with a dozen from Montreal to our location in East Tennessee and they were the best I've ever had. Then he went on a diet and I never saw him eat anything but apples. :(

thepla Apr 23, 2015 10:03 pm


Originally Posted by dfwoods (Post 5762718)
I cannot compare them to real NY bagels, but I think the best in the Chicago area are from:

New York Bagel and Bialy
4714 W. Touhy
Lincolnwood, IL

I think they have another location on Dempster in Skokie, but I don't see an address. I have found that their traditional bagels are the best -- slightly hard outside, but dense & chewy inside. But I would avoid the trendy yuppie ones that they also sell. They definitely use the real cooking method as you can see the vats for boiling and the ovens for baking. No steam injection ovens that create the nasty "round bread with a hole in the middle" type of bagel.

.
I grew up in Lincolnwood and agree. I now live further north and whenever I drive up Edens I'll stop.

I always ask if they have any hot, when available they are best ever anywhere.

GatoAndaluz Jul 23, 2015 1:36 pm


Originally Posted by Sweet Willie (Post 5762072)

This, so very much.

Dovster Jul 23, 2015 2:13 pm

Israel is finally Jewish!
 

Originally Posted by Dovster (Post 5806225)
Believe it or not, until a few years ago bagels were unknown in Israel!

Today, there are several places where you can get acceptable bagels but the best are at Tal Bagels in Tel Aviv. They also have great shmears to put on them, including excellent chopped liver.

As mentioned in the above post from 2006, Israel had no bagels until about 10 years ago. (It did have very large, round, breads with a hole in the middle but it in no other way resembled a bagel).

Real bagels are still hard to find here (outside of Tal's) but a double miracle happened in the last month. The first part is that pastrami, as New Yorkers know it, became available in supermarkets.

The second part is that a few days ago Jewish rye bread appeared on the market (although, to date, I know of only one supermarket in my area that has it).

Today, for the first time, I was able to have pastrami on rye in Israel! Alas, the closest thing that I can find to Deli mustard is French's Spicy Brown, but after 36 years of living here without pastrami on rye I am not about to complain about the mustard.

(Oddly enough, Hebrew National products are not sold in the Hebrew nation.)

ijkh Jul 23, 2015 5:16 pm

Ok well then a nice gift to the relatives in Israel might be to bring some nice frozen real rye bread and bagels. There of course are none here in Oregon but we import ours from Los Angeles!

N830MH Apr 19, 2021 11:27 pm

Bagels factory
 
Hi all,

It is very interesting to see how they make a bagels. It's called behind the scene. I watch it all. They have everything, plain, onions, garlic, poppy, sesame, and whole wheat. You will like it.

Here's a video:


Enjoy!

gaobest Apr 25, 2021 3:13 pm


Originally Posted by Dovster (Post 25162524)
As mentioned in the above post from 2006, Israel had no bagels until about 10 years ago. (It did have very large, round, breads with a hole in the middle but it in no other way resembled a bagel).

Real bagels are still hard to find here (outside of Tal's) but a double miracle happened in the last month. The first part is that pastrami, as New Yorkers know it, became available in supermarkets.

The second part is that a few days ago Jewish rye bread appeared on the market (although, to date, I know of only one supermarket in my area that has it).

Today, for the first time, I was able to have pastrami on rye in Israel! Alas, the closest thing that I can find to Deli mustard is French's Spicy Brown, but after 36 years of living here without pastrami on rye I am not about to complain about the mustard.

(Oddly enough, Hebrew National products are not sold in the Hebrew nation.)

I’m stunned that bagels weren’t part of the Israeli diet until recent years. How about beigels as they’re called in London??

FlyerEC Apr 28, 2021 3:18 pm


Originally Posted by N830MH (Post 33190614)
Hi all,

It is very interesting to see how they make a bagels. It's called behind the scene. I watch it all. They have everything, plain, onions, garlic, poppy, sesame, and whole wheat. You will like it.

Here's a video:

https://youtu.be/g_t97SW0Yug

Enjoy!

Thanks , N830MH , really enjoyed this video too .
Guess what after watching though ⁉️

Had bagel craving - so eventually caved in & wonder where I could get similar & here are 2 of 3 😉
Success shown below from Two Men Bagel House

The walnut and cream cheese bagel was consumed before I remembered to take a photo . Below are halves of other 2 saved for the following day - was surprisingly just as delicious 😋


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“ Lamb of God “ - with lamb 🙄 & “ Mademoiselle “ corned beef & honey baked ham


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