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BamaVol Oct 26, 2021 5:54 pm

Non Dairy “Milk”
 
We use almond milk. I don’t consume dairy. I also hope to minimize cholesterol consumption. It’s mostly just used to wet cereal.

I know there are other nondairy milks. What do you drink and why.

StuckInYYZ Oct 26, 2021 6:03 pm


Originally Posted by BamaVol (Post 33677605)
We use almond milk. I don’t consume dairy. I also hope to minimize cholesterol consumption. It’s mostly just used to wet cereal.

I know there are other nondairy milks. What do you drink and why.

I do drink milk, but I do toss in soy milk (sometimes soy/sesame mixed milk) and rarely some almond milk... Need to try oat milk... But I don't see it often at the places I frequent... Soy milk works fine as that was a substitute when I was growing up (parents were lactose intolerant so we had it in the house).

Will have to try the local supermarkets again for oat milk.

braslvr Oct 26, 2021 6:07 pm

Almond Breeze brand original almond milk. Tastes much better to me than Silk brand or a couple others I've tried. 60 cal. per 8oz glass.
I've tried rice, soy, oat, and hemp seed milks, and didn't care for any of them. Almond Breeze makes(or made) a blend of almond and coconut milk which was also quite good, but I haven't seen it in years.

GW McLintock Oct 26, 2021 6:51 pm

Last I checked, milk came from mammals. How do you milk an almond? :confused:

-J.

kipper Oct 26, 2021 6:55 pm

Oat milk, but only for cereal.

Bogwoppit Oct 26, 2021 7:06 pm


Originally Posted by GW McLintock (Post 33677773)
Last I checked, milk came from mammals. How do you milk an almond? :confused:

-J.

Coconut milk has been a thing for years.

​​​​​​I use either cashew milk or Oatly brand oat milk.

chgoeditor Oct 26, 2021 7:13 pm

Califia unsweetened vanilla. I used to drink TJ and Almond Breeze but find them to be too artificial these days. But I'm not anti-dairy.... Cheese, butter and ice cream rock.

braslvr Oct 26, 2021 7:39 pm


Originally Posted by chgoeditor (Post 33677840)
Cheese, butter and ice cream rock.

Yes they do!! Add sour cream and whipped cream to that. In middle and high school I used to drink about a gallon of 2% every day. Tapered off to maybe a half gallon a week soon after to control weight. Then it was only with cookies/cake/cereal, never a glass on it's own. Now, the only thing I use cow's milk for is to make ranch salad dressing. Oh, and buttermilk for biscuits.

dodgeflyer Oct 27, 2021 12:45 am


Originally Posted by GW McLintock (Post 33677773)
Last I checked, milk came from mammals. How do you milk an almond? :confused:

-J.

Like coconut milk, it is usually water through the pulp of the nut/fruit.

Those thinking they save the planet by drinking almond milk are fooling themselves (and the world).

Oat seems to become the prevailing non-dairy substitute in Europe, however when I was looking at changing away from milk (for coffee only and sometimes bircher muesli, I quite liked tigernut milk.

PbodyPhoto Oct 27, 2021 3:02 am


Originally Posted by chgoeditor (Post 33677840)
Califia unsweetened vanilla. I used to drink TJ and Almond Breeze but find them to be too artificial these days. But I'm not anti-dairy.... Cheese, butter and ice cream rock.

I would argue that oat milk ice cream is actually vastly superior to traditional ice cream.

yyznomad Oct 27, 2021 8:41 am

Aside from woke milk or non-lactose milk, I'd like to know that aside from my usual 2% milk with my corn flakes, should I give Almond milk or other milk a shot... or something else? Also, what is, if any, the fat % in almond milk?

kipper Oct 27, 2021 9:27 am


Originally Posted by yyznomad (Post 33679178)
Aside from woke milk or non-lactose milk, I'd like to know that aside from my usual 2% milk with my corn flakes, should I give Almond milk or other milk a shot... or something else? Also, what is, if any, the fat % in almond milk?

I use oat milk for cereal.

yyznomad Oct 27, 2021 9:32 am


Originally Posted by kipper (Post 33679356)
I use oat milk for cereal.

Well, TIL... should we be using the term "mylk"?

gaobest Oct 27, 2021 9:45 am

KS (COST) oat milk for my coffee. I consume much dairy so any chance to reduce is good. Oat milk surely has sugar because I no longer add a tsp of sugar to coffee like before.

Eastbay1K Oct 27, 2021 9:50 am


Originally Posted by gaobest (Post 33679413)
KS (COST) oat milk for my coffee. I consume much dairy so any chance to reduce is good. Oat milk surely has sugar because I no longer add a tsp of sugar to coffee like before.

Are the lyrics going to need a change to ♫ Just a spoonful of oatmilk makes the medicine go down ....♫ ?


Originally Posted by dodgeflyer (Post 33678401)

Those thinking they save the planet by drinking almond milk are fooling themselves (and the world).

But for "almond milk," California's water shortage wouldn't be nearly as short.

xooz Oct 27, 2021 9:55 am

I am doing my bit for the California water shortage by avoiding almond milk. I assume there are big numbers assigned to the requirements for dairy milk as well, but it does seem that almonds suck a lot of aquifer water in an area where it could be better used.
According to Capitalism is Freedom, it takes 1.1 gallons of water to produce a single almond, or about which would translate to about 460 gallons of water per pound of almonds. In turn, it takes about two pounds of almonds to make one gallon of Almond Milk, or 920 gallons of water.

dodgeflyer Oct 27, 2021 10:33 am


Originally Posted by xooz (Post 33679449)
I am doing my bit for the California water shortage by avoiding almond milk. I assume there are big numbers assigned to the requirements for dairy milk as well, but it does seem that almonds suck a lot of aquifer water in an area where it could be better used.
According to Capitalism is Freedom, it takes 1.1 gallons of water to produce a single almond, or about which would translate to about 460 gallons of water per pound of almonds. In turn, it takes about two pounds of almonds to make one gallon of Almond Milk, or 920 gallons of water.

Wow that’s even worse than I thought. Indeed Californian almond production is what I was thinking of.

According to www it takes about 4.5 gallons of water to produce a gallon of milk. Then you can argue methane issues from dairy and that almond trees probably are net good for the world for co2; however its environmental footprint far exceeds what’s good.

DELee Oct 27, 2021 10:40 am


Originally Posted by dodgeflyer (Post 33679582)
Wow that’s even worse than I thought. Indeed Californian almond production is what I was thinking of.

According to www it takes about 4.5 gallons of water to produce a gallon of milk. Then you can argue methane issues from dairy and that almond trees probably are net good for the world for co2; however its environmental footprint far exceeds what’s good.

From my view a Californian, all of our ag business is fundamentally exporting water in one form or another - it is simply the economic and environmental impact. Same can be said for ag business across the world at this point.

From my view as a consumer of milk and (sometimes) mylk/non-dairy milk products, I'm not a fan of the mylk/non-dairy stuff.

David

braslvr Oct 27, 2021 11:12 am


Originally Posted by dodgeflyer (Post 33679582)
Wow that’s even worse than I thought. Indeed Californian almond production is what I was thinking of.

According to www it takes about 4.5 gallons of water to produce a gallon of milk. Then you can argue methane issues from dairy and that almond trees probably are net good for the world for co2; however its environmental footprint far exceeds what’s good.

It's too bad this thread has quickly turned into vilifying almonds. Lots of info on the www. https://www.truthordrought.com/almond-milk-myths

I'd much rather hear what kind of milk tastes best to different folks, and what you use it in etc...

danielonn Oct 27, 2021 11:26 am


Originally Posted by BamaVol (Post 33677605)
We use almond milk. I don’t consume dairy. I also hope to minimize cholesterol consumption. It’s mostly just used to wet cereal.

I know there are other nondairy milks. What do you drink and why.

I like oatly oat milk

RetiredATLATC Oct 27, 2021 11:27 am


Originally Posted by gaobest (Post 33679413)
KS (COST) oat milk for my coffee. I consume much dairy so any chance to reduce is good. Oat milk surely has sugar because I no longer add a tsp of sugar to coffee like before.

So everyone else who doesn't know and doesn't want to waste time looking it up or feel the need to always use a stock ticker instead of an actual name, KS is Kirkland Select from Costco. smh.

Soy Milk, because it's healthier for you.

Server Oct 27, 2021 11:32 am

Oat milk most of the time now, except for coffee-styled drinks.

Soy milk just seems to be more stable, taste better, when steamed and foamed up for a cappuccino.

cblaisd Oct 27, 2021 11:56 am


Originally Posted by braslvr (Post 33679724)
I'd much rather hear what kind of milk tastes best to different folks, and what you use it in etc...

Moderator hat on: Good point :) Let's do as suggested going forward.

cblaisd, Co-Moderator

Eastbay1K Oct 27, 2021 12:01 pm


Originally Posted by Server (Post 33679796)
Oat milk most of the time now, except for coffee-styled drinks.

Soy milk just seems to be more stable, taste better, when steamed and foamed up for a cappuccino.

(*** refrain from instability comments ***) Not keen on any of the substitutes in coffee. My splash of half/half in coffee cannot be reasonably replaced with anything, and there's not enough lactose in the amount I use to be an issue.

As for a frozen product, https://www.mrdewies.com/ is very good.

gaobest Oct 27, 2021 12:37 pm


Originally Posted by Eastbay1K (Post 33679425)
Are the lyrics going to need a change to ♫ Just a spoonful of oatmilk makes the medicine go down ....♫ ?
.

love Mary poppins. Thank you.


Originally Posted by Eastbay1K (Post 33679913)
(*** refrain from instability comments ***) Not keen on any of the substitutes in coffee. My splash of half/half in coffee cannot be reasonably replaced with anything, and there's not enough lactose in the amount I use to be an issue...

I sometimes have cream and I still enjoy the oat milk.

pseudoswede Oct 27, 2021 2:04 pm

Miss Swede was allergic to dairy and tree nuts, so she drank enriched rice milk or soy milk the first 12-13 years of her life. Even though she's outgrown her dairy and almond allergies, she still prefers rice milk in cereal--except when eating Life, which she uses regular milk. She uses almond milk creamer in her coffee.

Mrs. Swede is dairy-sensitive, so she mainly uses oat milk for her cereal and coffee; however, she also has no problems using almond milk or soy milk when necessary.

StuckInYYZ Oct 27, 2021 2:13 pm


Originally Posted by gaobest (Post 33679413)
KS (COST) oat milk for my coffee. I consume much dairy so any chance to reduce is good. Oat milk surely has sugar because I no longer add a tsp of sugar to coffee like before.

Just because you don't take sugar in your coffee doesn't necessarily mean they necessarily put sugar in it. For me it's HK-style milk tea. When I order it, I usually have to ask them not to put sugar in it (I'd still drink it if they put sugar) as I find I enjoy the creaminess of the tea that way. When you add sugar, it becomes sweet.


Originally Posted by yyznomad (Post 33679178)
Aside from woke milk or non-lactose milk, I'd like to know that aside from my usual 2% milk with my corn flakes, should I give Almond milk or other milk a shot... or something else? Also, what is, if any, the fat % in almond milk?

(I know... stupid auto correct, but still should be pointed out)... I didn't know milk was sensitive to race.... :D I guess those Hokkaido cows just love to lord it over the holsteins. :p


Originally Posted by dodgeflyer (Post 33679582)
Wow that’s even worse than I thought. Indeed Californian almond production is what I was thinking of.

According to www it takes about 4.5 gallons of water to produce a gallon of milk. Then you can argue methane issues from dairy and that almond trees probably are net good for the world for co2; however its environmental footprint far exceeds what’s good.

Unfortunately I don't think there's a way to compare cows vs. almonds vs. oat vs. whatever ... But that being said, you also have to consider how many more of one resource vs. another. One cow vs. how many hectares of almond trees? It's a balancing thing that many do not necessarily understand.

Edited to add: One other thing... not sure if amount of water/fertilizer might influence taste...

PaulinaS Oct 27, 2021 4:12 pm

I drink Soy Milk from Alpro, it really tastes well and even has more Calcium in it than regular cow milk.

DELee Oct 27, 2021 4:15 pm


Originally Posted by StuckInYYZ (Post 33680318)
Edited to add: One other thing... not sure if amount of water/fertilizer might influence taste...

So that's why my cow's milk tastes that way - lots of fertilizer! ;)

David

Larrude Oct 27, 2021 4:38 pm

I rarely use milk, but when I do it is usually lactose free skim ( non fat) milk. I have no issues with lactose, but the carton lasts for almost two months in the refrigerator for the lactose free skim milk without turning.

StuckInYYZ Oct 28, 2021 7:25 am


Originally Posted by DELee (Post 33680688)
So that's why my cow's milk tastes that way - lots of fertilizer! ;)

David

That was actually meant for the non-animal milk, but sure, I suppose you could fit that in with animal milk as well. :p The animals are what they eat/drink.

gaobest Oct 28, 2021 7:58 am

Here’s the Ks oat milk sugar info - 7gm per cup


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...1d1c59191.jpeg

kipper Oct 28, 2021 8:25 am


Originally Posted by gaobest (Post 33682217)
Here’s the Ks oat milk sugar info - 7gm per cup


Stonyfield organic 2% milk has 11g of sugar per cup.
https://www.stonyfield.com/wp-conten...s_2PerMilk.jpg

FlyerEC Oct 28, 2021 8:38 am

Love soya milk , the Asian / Chinese type . Usually sold with bean curd in stalls in Malaysia and Singapore , also Hong Kong .
Coconut milk that goes into cooking lots of Peranakan dishes to make them “ lemak “ , also curries & many other dishes ..

Enjoy almond and oat milk ( Oatly ) .. saw something else while looking for these this week .. “ BamNut M?LK “ , might try some next month . Has anyone tried ?

Love milk though especially full cream and cream , clotted cream , sour cream .. whatever ..

BamaVol Oct 28, 2021 8:45 am


Originally Posted by xooz (Post 33679449)
I am doing my bit for the California water shortage by avoiding almond milk. I assume there are big numbers assigned to the requirements for dairy milk as well, but it does seem that almonds suck a lot of aquifer water in an area where it could be better used.
According to Capitalism is Freedom, it takes 1.1 gallons of water to produce a single almond, or about which would translate to about 460 gallons of water per pound of almonds. In turn, it takes about two pounds of almonds to make one gallon of Almond Milk, or 920 gallons of water.

But where does the water go afterwards? I’ve never encountered a juicy almond.

DELee Oct 28, 2021 10:20 am


Originally Posted by kipper (Post 33682284)
Stonyfield organic 2% milk has 11g of sugar per cup.

That's simply milk sugar or lactose. Kinda the energy fuel for young mammals. As well as humans who put milk into their coffee, tea, cereal, baked goods, etc.

David


Originally Posted by BamaVol (Post 33682341)
But where does the water go afterwards? I’ve never encountered a juicy almond.

Just a touch of photosynthesis for the almond tree to do its thing.

Back to the thread, I find almond milk and other non-dairy fluid milk substitutes too watery for my taste.

David

BamaVol Oct 28, 2021 10:49 am


Originally Posted by DELee (Post 33682611)
That's simply milk sugar or lactose. Kinda the energy fuel for young mammals. As well as humans who put milk into their coffee, tea, cereal, baked goods, etc.

Back to the thread, I find almond milk and other non-dairy fluid milk substitutes too watery for my taste.

David

Im normally happy with unsweetened almond milk. But for my coffee, I prefer sweetened chocolate almond milk. It’s much thicker in appearance.

braslvr Oct 28, 2021 10:51 am


Originally Posted by gaobest (Post 33682217)
Here’s the Ks oat milk sugar info - 7gm per cup


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...1d1c59191.jpeg

Yikes! No wonder you like it. It has added oil and 120 calories.:eek:

yyznomad Oct 28, 2021 11:53 am

I think I'll just stick to my 2% milk for now.

kipper Oct 28, 2021 12:01 pm


Originally Posted by DELee (Post 33682611)
That's simply milk sugar or lactose. Kinda the energy fuel for young mammals. As well as humans who put milk into their coffee, tea, cereal, baked goods, etc.

David

I know. I posted that because some have speculated that they add sugar to oat milk because they no longer need to add sugar to coffee. However, 2% cow's milk has more "sugar" per serving.


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