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Originally Posted by RatherBeOnATrain
(Post 33381125)
I cannot ever recall seeing a tip jar at any US chain fast food restaurant (McDonald's, Burger King, etc.) I've ever been in.
[The fast casual (Chipotle, Panera) chains do have tip jars.] |
Originally Posted by kipper
(Post 33381991)
This. I've never seen them at fast food restaurants.
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Originally Posted by Jaimito Cartero
(Post 33380671)
I’m at a 5 star property on the Phoenix/Scottsdale border, and there are no shortage of serving staff here. We arrived at the beggining of service yesterday, and saw 15 servers just waiting for customers to arrive.
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https://www.economist.com/briefing/2...ages-not-goods
In America median workers require a 3% higher wage to accept a job than they did before the pandemic, according to a recent survey by the New York Fed. For low-wage workers the necessary wage has gone up 19%. None of these explanations is fully satisfactory. Britain and Australia are also suffering worker shortages in some industries, despite not having generous unemployment benefits. It seems strange that young waiters, who could be vaccinated should they so choose, would see the restaurants to which consumers are happy to return as too risky to work in. A new paper by Jason Furman and Wilson Powell III of Harvard University and Melissa Kearney of the University of Maryland finds that additional joblessness among mothers of young children accounts for only a “negligible” share of America’s employment deficit, contrary to the conventional wisdom. PS - I assume the Economists is paywalled, but not sure about this piece since I do have a subscription. |
Originally Posted by Visconti
(Post 33399034)
Ordinarily, I would just assume the main culprit to be overly generous unemployment benefits, but, according to the article, both the UK and Australia are also experiencing labor shortages in some industries absent of generous unemployment benefits. The government basically told millions of people in entry-level jobs that they weren't "essential". So they looked to become essential. When polled or part of a study asking why they aren't returning to the f&b industry, will they say "because of the unemployment benefits", or "because I've found/am looking for a different job"? It's likely a combination, and the latter may not have happened without the former. IMO, this means eventually the market will catch up as the next generation of college students and young adults return to the industry while looking for their "career" somewhere else. |
I reached out to some restaurant owners, and there are not only server/employee shortages, there are also other shortages -- supplies and equipment too -- that could impact the situation. And this is an issue on both sides of the Atlantic.
Also, some of the restaurant owners who have seen things get very busy as of late are complaining that patrons/would-be-patrons who don't hear what they want are nastier than they were pre-pandemic. Could be a function of various things. However, if the workplace environment is truly worse than before for restaurant employees, then attracting/retaining employees will require more of a premium than before. If restaurants aren't able/willing to pay the premium that is required to get/retain employees -- and/or a restaurant can't make a price hike work out -- then they may have to re-invent themselves in ways, including by trying to automate more and/or outsource service to the customers or others more than was already the case. Are waiters taking orders really needed as much now as before? Outsourcing the menu-ordering process to the customers would likely reduce the problem of customer disputes over what was ordered and free up wait staff to do things beside take orders from seated customers at the restaurants. But good wait staff in the menu-order-taking process can also drive up sales in a way that automated/self-service ordering may not do so as effectively. |
Originally Posted by GUWonder
(Post 33400730)
But good wait staff in the menu-order-taking process can also drive up sales in a way that automated/self-service ordering may not do so as effectively.
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Originally Posted by JBord
(Post 33400915)
I agree. And of course there's customer expectations too. Perhaps someone has questions about ingredients because of an allergy, or needs more of a description than the menu offers. That's probably a minimal issue at a fast food place, but more important at your gastropub or bistro. Then, at a certain price point, people actually want a more personal experience. Ordering off an ipad and having a robot deliver their food would mean they choose a different restaurant.
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Originally Posted by JBord
(Post 33400689)
Another way of looking at it -- very few people see waiting or bussing tables as a long term job. The mass shutdowns were a catalyst for people to consider that next job a little sooner than they would have normally. The increased benefits allowed them a safety net to do it with no loss of income and, in some cases, even more income than returning to their jobs. The states that have started to cut off the benefits are already seeing increases in job applications and hiring (or at least were as of a few weeks ago, I haven't seen recent data).
We'll see. Ultimately, the restaurants given their razor thin margins must necessarily pass-through to costs to diners in the form of higher prices. While I haven't noticed (admittedly, haven't really paid attention), have you guys/gals noticed that any broad increase in restaurant prices? |
Originally Posted by Visconti
(Post 33403936)
We'll see. Ultimately, the restaurants given their razor thin margins must necessarily pass-through to costs to diners in the form of higher prices. While I haven't noticed (admittedly, haven't really paid attention), have you guys/gals noticed that any broad increase in restaurant prices? |
Originally Posted by kipper
(Post 33401417)
I have pretty severe allergies, so I much prefer confirming any requests with a human.
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Originally Posted by justforfun
(Post 33404016)
Really? You think a human remembering ALL the ingredients of ALL menu items is more secure than an ipad that can be programmed to accurately list all ingredients?
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Originally Posted by kipper
(Post 33404140)
A human is far more likely to:
1. Lie to a customer he/she dislikes 2. Otherwise misinterpret or not pay attention or forget |
Originally Posted by Eastbay1K
(Post 33404220)
A human is far more likely to:
1. Lie to a customer he/she dislikes 2. Otherwise misinterpret or not pay attention or forget |
Solvang store:
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...0dcb6dd09.jpeg
Originally Posted by Eastbay1K
(Post 33404220)
A human is far more likely to:
1. Lie to a customer he/she dislikes 2. Otherwise misinterpret or not pay attention or forget 3. guess on an allergy / ingredient without thinking about the consequences - an iPad will automatically have pre-lawsuit protection as instant default :-) |
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