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MSYtoJFKagain May 3, 2019 8:38 am

I don't think anyone disputes NE being an incredible area for seafood. I only find issues with many of the preparations for seafood up there being way too heavy and/or creamy.

Watching tourist eat chowder in the summer is gross.

work2fly May 3, 2019 8:53 am


Originally Posted by MSYtoJFKagain (Post 31063236)
I don't think anyone disputes NE being an incredible area for seafood. I only find issues with many of the preparations for seafood up there being way too heavy and/or creamy.

Watching tourist eat chowder in the summer is gross.

Well, that's because folks in New England make chowder all wrong ;)

This is chowder:


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...67b2f019a4.jpg

Badenoch May 3, 2019 9:33 am


Originally Posted by MSYtoJFKagain (Post 31063236)
I don't think anyone disputes NE being an incredible area for seafood. I only find issues with many of the preparations for seafood up there being way too heavy and/or creamy.

Watching tourist eat chowder in the summer is gross.

+1. Cream is for coffee and dessert. It is not meant for soups of any description much less used to obliterate the taste of fresh seafood.

MSYtoJFKagain May 3, 2019 10:34 am


Originally Posted by work2fly (Post 31063281)
Well, that's because folks in New England make chowder all wrong ;)

This is chowder: Delicious picture

I wasn't going to start a holy war in this thread but I think you're correct. The best chowder I've ever had was at Eisenberg's in Manhattan. It's a Friday only special and I ate it every week for years. New England chowder is good maybe once or twice a year for me. It's just too heavy. I've had better cream-based oyster/seafood stews on the Cape but they were far lighter than the normal chowder you come across.

FLYMSY May 3, 2019 11:51 am


Originally Posted by gfunkdave (Post 31056337)
You really haven't lived until you've started baking your salads! And then you've earned your baked ice cream for dessert.

Now, you’re talking! Baked Alaska. At Antoine’s.

MSYtoJFKagain May 3, 2019 12:10 pm


Originally Posted by FLYMSY (Post 31063906)


Now, you’re talking! Baked Alaska. At Antoine’s.

Truly one of the greatest desserts. I haven't been in too long.

CDTraveler May 3, 2019 12:18 pm


Originally Posted by lhrsfo (Post 31055463)
Interesting. I've always found the fish in the Bay Area in CA to be very disappointing. Even the supposedly good stores (such as Whole Foods and its competitors) and the roadside fresh fish markets in fishing ports seem to sell fish that has seen better days. It's really not that hard - catch it and get it on sale later the same day or, in extremis, the following day.

I therefore avoid fish in the USA altogether now.

Who said Whole Foods was a "good" store?

It used to be expensive and organic, now it's just expensive. Food claimed to be organic is not the same as good tasting.

If you want fresh fish, there are plenty of choices for it in the Bay Area. Pretty much any Chinese grocery has good fish, usually fresh, there are fish markets that have great quality fish, there's several harbors where you can often buy fish right off the boats, etc.


Originally Posted by moondog
When I lived in Portland, OR 10 years ago, Zupan's had pretty nice fish that wasn't super expensive.

But, when I was a student at Stanford 5 years before, I was pretty much limited to salmon from Safeway.

If you could get to Safeway, why not go to Draeger's instead? Far better meats and seafood than that Safeway. Or there was (is?) a high end meat and seafood place in the shopping center. Down the road in Mountain View there are a number of Chinese groceries carrying a wide variety of fish, usually good quality.

phillygold May 3, 2019 1:18 pm

Folks, I generally eat only fish that I catch. So, there is no doubting the freshness. (And I have Atlantic cod in the fridge that I caught yesterday). My one bit of advice. Learn how to clean/fillet a whole fish. That way, you can be sure that the fish is fresh. When in the store, 1) look into the fishes eyes. If cloudy...run away. 2) examine the gills. If they are not brightly colored, the fish has been frozen. 3) hold it up to your nose and take a whiff. If it smells fishy, it has been sitting around for a few days.
As for tilapia, no way!

MSYtoJFKagain May 3, 2019 1:22 pm

Nothing wrong with flash frozen fish in my experience. If I'm buying anywhere but the dock, that's my preference.

moondog May 3, 2019 5:10 pm


Originally Posted by CDTraveler (Post 31063989)
If you could get to Safeway, why not go to Draeger's instead? Far better meats and seafood than that Safeway. Or there was (is?) a high end meat and seafood place in the shopping center. Down the road in Mountain View there are a number of Chinese groceries carrying a wide variety of fish, usually good quality.

Back then, we had Andronico's, which I think might have been acquired by Whole Foods since, which was okay, but Safeway was much more convenient for me. Furthermore, I have nothing against salmon; it just gets a little boring.

With respect to chowder, I won't eat it daily, especially during the summer, but I do like it.

bensyd May 4, 2019 1:23 am


Originally Posted by MSYtoJFKagain (Post 31064177)
Nothing wrong with flash frozen fish in my experience. If I'm buying anywhere but the dock, that's my preference.

As long as it's properly blast frozen. Nothing wrong with frozen fish at all.

moondog May 4, 2019 6:49 am


Originally Posted by bensyd (Post 31065548)
As long as it's properly blast frozen. Nothing wrong with frozen fish at all.

During my sole fishing trip in Alaska, we froze the halibut, but not the cod. The fishing guy told me that cod doesn't freeze well

Eastbay1K May 4, 2019 2:42 pm


Originally Posted by moondog (Post 31064782)
Back then, we had Andronico's, which I think might have been acquired by Whole Foods since, which was okay, but Safeway was much more convenient for me. Furthermore, I have nothing against salmon; it just gets a little boring.

With respect to chowder, I won't eat it daily, especially during the summer, but I do like it.

Andronico's went bust and Safeway picked up the scraps.

MaxBuck May 7, 2019 11:37 am


Originally Posted by Badenoch (Post 31060248)
A restaurant near me that focuses on local food uses pickerel in their fish tacos. Try those and you'll never eat tilapia tacos again.

Pickerel, walleye, perch and other pikefish are worth the premium in price for my money. They're all very tasty aquatic critters. Love steelhead, too.

BamaVol May 7, 2019 12:43 pm


Originally Posted by MaxBuck (Post 31076484)
Pickerel, walleye, perch and other pikefish are worth the premium in price for my money. They're all very tasty aquatic critters. Love steelhead, too.

Fine if you live up north. I never see any of that down here. Freshwater critters in a southern seafood market consist of crawfish and catfish.


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