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enviroian Jul 12, 2016 4:00 pm

Whitebait?
 
I was at a nice pub in Kent last week with my mom and her Irish partner. He ordered a plate of "whitebait". He loved them and said it's an old school favorite. They were deep fried. Herring?

JY1024 Jul 12, 2016 5:01 pm

Moving to the DiningBuzz forum... /JY1024, TravelBuzz co-moderator

CPRich Jul 12, 2016 6:38 pm

Whitebait


Given that UK and imported whitebait still consists of immature herring, sprat, sardines, mackerel, bass and many others, it is not an ecologically viable foodstuff. Removing these fish at such a juvenile stage, before they have had a chance to grow and reproduce, might severely reduce future fish stocks. The Marine Conservation Society (MCS) is a non-government organisation that provides independent information on the sustainability of fish stocks and species around the world, and has a rating system for fish sustainability, in order to safeguard future stocks [2]. The MCS suggests avoiding eating and purchasing the juvenile whitebait as it is detrimental to sustainable fish populations.

enviroian Jul 12, 2016 7:14 pm


Originally Posted by CPRich (Post 26908207)

Interesting!

Thanks for the info.

corky Jul 12, 2016 11:20 pm

I have a rule to not eat anything that is referred to as "bait". Bait is what is used to catch real food.

bensyd Jul 13, 2016 1:19 am

Whitebait fritters are fantastic.

enviroian Jul 13, 2016 10:54 am


Originally Posted by CPRich (Post 26908207)

Interesting that this article says it's not sustainable. What is that centuries old American past time of being up in the middle of the night and going to the local river to net fish? Are those anchovies? Herring? Is that sustainable?

BamaVol Jul 13, 2016 1:16 pm

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BamaVol Jul 13, 2016 1:21 pm


Originally Posted by corky (Post 26909015)
I have a rule to not eat anything that is referred to as "bait". Bait is what is used to catch real food.

I wonder about that when I buy live shrimp for bait and it costs so much less than the ones in the supermarket. But for some reason I can't bring myself to cook, clean and eat them.

White bait, OTOH, what's in a name? :D

I found them on a pub menu in Devon one time as "Blanc Bait". I asked my dining companion and he said the pub was putting on airs.

BamaVol Jul 13, 2016 1:21 pm


Originally Posted by CPRich (Post 26908207)

How is this any different than eating eggs vs. chicken?

corky Jul 13, 2016 1:53 pm


Originally Posted by BamaVol (Post 26912044)
How is this any different than eating eggs vs. chicken?

I think part of the answer is in that disgusting photo you posted. They look like maggots. Call me fussy.

milepig Jul 13, 2016 2:02 pm


Originally Posted by BamaVol (Post 26912044)
How is this any different than eating eggs vs. chicken?

If you're looking for a serious answer...

Whitebait are apparently harvested in such a way that they deplete the stock that eventually grows into actual fish, meaning a depopulation of same.

Chickens are raised specifically to produce eggs (and eventually wonderful chicken soup) without compromising the availability of other chickens that are bred to become KFC. As far as I know, there is no chicken shortage at the moment.

Sweet Willie Jul 14, 2016 6:58 am


Originally Posted by enviroian (Post 26911225)
What is that centuries old American past time of being up in the middle of the night and going to the local river to net fish? Are those anchovies? Herring? Is that sustainable?

anchovies & herring are salt water fish.

I think you are referring to smelt.

I've only seem them netted along the shores of Lake Michigan.

BamaVol Jul 14, 2016 7:13 am


Originally Posted by Sweet Willie (Post 26915071)
anchovies & herring are salt water fish.

I think you are referring to smelt.

I've only seem them netted along the shores of Lake Michigan.

I thought herring spawned in fresh water. I used to fish for shad in the Connecticut river and feel like I saw almost as many herring as shad.

Neither could be legally netted although I can understand the temptation. They're not very interested in feeding when all they're thinking about it reproducing. You watch hundreds, thousands even, of fish swimming under the boat without a single bite. Shad darts are said to provoke strikes out of annoyance rather than hunger. I can't say I ever saw anyone catch a herring, if that's what they were.

I looked and they are blueback herring. They spawn in fresh water and are endangered. The count at the fish elevator went from a high of 600,000 to a low of 21 in 2006. Eek!

GRALISTAIR Jul 14, 2016 7:56 am


Originally Posted by enviroian (Post 26907591)
I was at a nice pub in Kent last week with my mom and her Irish partner. He ordered a plate of "whitebait". He loved them and said it's an old school favorite. They were deep fried. Herring?

I absolutely love them.


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