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uk1 Mar 13, 2015 12:16 pm


Originally Posted by lhrsfo (Post 24501422)
Generally, I would agree with uk1 that more information is a good thing. However, I'm with emma69 in that I've lived my life trusting that, if a restaurant is permitted to remain open, then I should be ok. Touch wood, and hoping not to tempt fate (I'm not eating at a restaurant for the next week....), I have not had food poisoning yet, except on United Airlines.

As I see it, the problem with bureaucratic systems is that they are very much a "one size fits all" approach and they look at lots of things which are not strictly necessary. Assuming that they will (and they should) close down a restaurant that was dangerous, then one must assume that you are safe in a restaurant with a score of 1 as much as with a score of 5.

We're all different.

Your trust in fate philosophy might be a slightly more understandable approach if places were inspected frequently and a bad place was picked up and closed down quickly. But the fact that they are not doesn't make your approach a sensible approach. In most places it is infrequent. So your optimism in inspections doesn't take account of the extended periods before and in between an inspection. At least inspections tell,you what they were like last time they were inspected and after a few years in an area a pattern emerges. It tells you as much about which owners and operators are not just OK when inspected but also which ones you can trust over time. Many with poor ratings also always seem to be changing hands often.

You also take a rather fanciful view of how this is done. As I posted above a 0 and 1 rating is urgent action necessary. If you are happy eating in that place in preference to a clean place - and that clearly sounds rational to you, but may not be to many other sensible people.

Most places with a 4 are desperate for a 5, and those with a 5 do not want the shame of losing it. It is a matter of pride and reputation. I've seen many Asian places where our second home is that have never risen above base levels and people talk about them and avoid them for those that proudly display their 5 ratings. The apps also now tell you rated places that are close to you.

braslvr Mar 13, 2015 10:03 pm


Originally Posted by uk1 (Post 24502088)
We're all different.

Your trust in fate philosophy might be a slightly more understandable approach if places were inspected frequently and a bad place was picked up and closed down quickly. But the fact that they are not doesn't make your approach a sensible approach. In most places it is infrequent. So your optimism in inspections doesn't take account of the extended periods before and in between an inspection. At least inspections tell,you what they were like last time they were inspected and after a few years in an area a pattern emerges. It tells you as much about which owners and operators are not just OK when inspected but also which ones you can trust over time. Many with poor ratings also always seem to be changing hands often.

You also take a rather fanciful view of how this is done. As I posted above a 0 and 1 rating is urgent action necessary. If you are happy eating in that place in preference to a clean place - and that clearly sounds rational to you, but may not be to many other sensible people.

Most places with a 4 are desperate for a 5, and those with a 5 do not want the shame of losing it. It is a matter of pride and reputation. I've seen many Asian places where our second home is that have never risen above base levels and people talk about them and avoid them for those that proudly display their 5 ratings. The apps also now tell you rated places that are close to you.

I can see both sides of this, and I pretty much agree with Emma, but it doesn't seem to me as though you're factoring in the taste of the food in a given restaurant. If the food simply tastes much better at the C or D joint next door to the A joint, I'm going for taste. Only if they were equal would I consider the grade.

uk1 Mar 14, 2015 1:39 am


Originally Posted by braslvr (Post 24504418)
I can see both sides of this, and I pretty much agree with Emma, but it doesn't seem to me as though you're factoring in the taste of the food in a given restaurant. If the food simply tastes much better at the C or D joint next door to the A joint, I'm going for taste. Only if they were equal would I consider the grade.

I'm sorry ... of course I'm factoring food into this. :confused:

I'm not going to clean places that serve crap food. I'm going to places that serve food I enjoy that are clean.

braslvr Mar 14, 2015 6:59 pm


Originally Posted by uk1 (Post 24504840)
I'm sorry ... of course I'm factoring food into this. :confused:

I'm not going to clean places that serve crap food. I'm going to places that serve food I enjoy that are clean.

OK, but many MANY areas outside of large cities don't have enough choices for us to be able to consistently have both. Anyway, I'm not arguing with you. It really is a "to each his own" subject.

wjm457 May 18, 2015 7:26 pm

In 40 years in the business, I saw every kind on inspector there was. Some were blessed with common sense, some were not. Our county health department often held luncheon meetings at our restaurant. You can't get a better endorsement than that.

Eastbay1K May 19, 2015 8:55 am


Originally Posted by wjm457 (Post 24835948)
In 40 years in the business, I saw every kind on inspector there was. Some were blessed with common sense, some were not. Our county health department often held luncheon meetings at our restaurant. You can't get a better endorsement than that.

You didn't say that the attendees ate your food. :p

lhrsfo May 19, 2015 9:01 am

Just be grateful that there are inspectors for restaurants:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...lesh-to-diners

TMOliver May 19, 2015 12:56 pm


Originally Posted by lhrsfo (Post 24838314)
Just be grateful that there are inspectors for restaurants:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...lesh-to-diners

That will teach the education system not to maintain Dean Swift and his treatise on Irish infants as part of the curriculum!


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