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tonerman Jan 11, 2011 11:29 pm

Baked potato with steak
Mashed with most other cuts of meat

indianwells Jan 12, 2011 1:32 am


Originally Posted by mjcewl1284 (Post 15638762)
If you ever have a chance to visit L'Atelier De Joel Robuchon, his signature mash (which is without gravy) is absolutely delicious and to die for. I'm pretty sure the way to make them is as top secret as the McDonalds Big Mac Sauce.

Paul Prudhommes mashed potatoes at K-Pauls Louisiana Kitchen in NO are pretty special too!

SamCat Jan 12, 2011 3:16 am


Originally Posted by magiciansampras (Post 15633954)
I'm not following. Aren't rice and red potatoes just as cheap and easy to make as a good mashed potato? :confused:

Not really. You can't make up roasted potatoes or rice a day or two in advance, they will shrivel up, but you can make up mashed potatoes in a big vat, add cream and serve them as fresh for a day or two and get away with it. Hence, they are cheaper to serve and less labour intensive.

GadgetFreak Jan 12, 2011 3:24 am

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Originally Posted by SamCat

Originally Posted by magiciansampras (Post 15633954)
I'm not following. Aren't rice and red potatoes just as cheap and easy to make as a good mashed potato? :confused:

Not really. You can't make up roasted potatoes or rice a day or two in advance, they will shrivel up, but you can make up mashed potatoes in a big vat, add cream and serve them as fresh for a day or two and get away with it. Hence, they are cheaper to serve and less labour intensive.

You can do that with any potato dish in one way or another. What you are basically saying is that crappy mashed potatoes aren't as good as good roast or baked potatoes. That isn't a very reasonable or useful comparison.

follonica2 Jan 12, 2011 6:51 am

Potatoes fried/roasted in some fashion here. In France, aligot.

KIXman Jan 12, 2011 6:55 am

Mashed! with lots of butter, pepper and a touch of garlic :)

magiciansampras Jan 12, 2011 7:14 am


Originally Posted by SamCat (Post 15640288)
Not really. You can't make up roasted potatoes or rice a day or two in advance, they will shrivel up, but you can make up mashed potatoes in a big vat, add cream and serve them as fresh for a day or two and get away with it. Hence, they are cheaper to serve and less labour intensive.

So what? As GF said, your beef seems to be against bad mashed potatoes. Have you ever had *good* mashed potatoes?

And I still don't agree that mashed potatoes are less labor intensive than serving wild rice. Certainly the prep to get that big vat of mashed requires quite a bit of effort.

GadgetFreak Jan 12, 2011 7:42 am


Originally Posted by magiciansampras (Post 15641089)
So what? As GF said, your beef seems to be against bad mashed potatoes. Have you ever had *good* mashed potatoes?

And I still don't agree that mashed potatoes are less labor intensive than serving wild rice. Certainly the prep to get that big vat of mashed requires quite a bit of effort.

I made mashed potatoes according to Robuchons recipe once. As I recall it was whipping potatoes, butter and heavy cream until fluffy. Then pushing the potatoes through a sieve with a wooden mallet; twice. Think about pushing mashed potatoes through a screen door with a wooden mallet. I only made them once because I thought my arms were going to explode from the effort.

Its really kind of silly to be having a comparison of good mashed potatoes to two day old lumpy (specifically noted in one of the above posts) ones. Again, the real message is that bad mashed potatoes arent good or perhaps dont eat at restaurants that serve two day old food, both of which are more or less "dog bites man".

magiciansampras Jan 12, 2011 7:47 am


Originally Posted by GadgetFreak (Post 15641269)
Its really kind of silly to be having a comparison of good mashed potatoes to two day old lumpy (specifically noted in one of the above posts) ones. Again, the real message is that bad mashed potatoes arent good which is more or less "dog bites man".

Indeed. And further, one of the marks of a great chef, at least in my view, is taking something simple, something we know, something comfortable, and making it transcendent and surprisingly delicious. SamCat may not be appreciating what that requires...

GadgetFreak Jan 12, 2011 7:56 am


Originally Posted by magiciansampras (Post 15641299)
Indeed. And further, one of the marks of a great chef, at least in my view, is taking something simple, something we know, something comfortable, and making it transcendent and surprisingly delicious. SamCat may not be appreciating what that requires...

Indeed, and in addition to the mashed potatoes; having had roast chicken, broiled fish or a poached pear at Michelin three star restaurants, among other examples, I do.

magiciansampras Jan 12, 2011 8:00 am


Originally Posted by GadgetFreak (Post 15641349)
Indeed, and in addition to the mashed potatoes; having had roast chicken, broiled fish or a poached pear at Michelin three star restaurants, among other examples, I do.

Indeed. They say the true test of a chef is his or her roast chicken. I think it's an excellent test. ;)

PSUhorty Jan 12, 2011 9:32 am


Originally Posted by SamCat (Post 15640288)
Not really. You can't make up roasted potatoes or rice a day or two in advance, they will shrivel up, but you can make up mashed potatoes in a big vat, add cream and serve them as fresh for a day or two and get away with it. Hence, they are cheaper to serve and less labour intensive.

‘Labor intensiveness’ is the barometer by which you’re going? In that case, a nicely grilled, medium rare steak must be bottom of barrel crap. After all, not much other than toasting bread is as easy as that. Certainly less labor intensive than mashed potatoes.

In other words, you’re not making much sense.

Swanhunter Jan 12, 2011 9:51 am

Neither. Frites + bearnaise sauce.

GadgetFreak Jan 12, 2011 10:04 am

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Originally Posted by Swanhunter
Neither. Frites + bearnaise sauce.

Balthazar serves a very nice version of this. It's on their late night menu as well I think.

sdtumbleweed Jan 12, 2011 2:05 pm

Hash browns with melted cheddar......^

mrbrad Jan 12, 2011 6:55 pm

Usually opt for grilled veggie alternative. If not, baked -- mashed potatoes at lots of places tend to have way too much cream for me; not a fan.

c1ue1ess88 Jan 13, 2011 6:35 pm

If those were the only two options then mashed. But I usually make my own and this is what I put in it.

3 cheeses
sour cream
butter
chives
bacon bits
heavy cream
potatoes with skin
salt/pepper

YUM, though it seems like a heart attack is waiting to happen.

Rejuvenated Jan 13, 2011 10:19 pm


Originally Posted by cotter77 (Post 15638519)
prefer to crumple your TP or fold your TP?

Sorry, but I have no idea what "TP" stands for in this case.

bakedpatato Jan 13, 2011 10:30 pm

baked potatoes. duh :D
but I like fries too.

ByrdluvsAWACO Jan 13, 2011 11:03 pm

If a restaurant serves it right, I like a baked potato. However, most restaurants serve the potato too cold.

Jenbel Jan 14, 2011 9:42 am

I love mashed potato (my own version is made with natural yoghurt, butter and chives), but I do love the way US restaurants do baked potatoes. So in the UK, chips or mash are fine, but in the US then baked :)

ILuvParis Jan 14, 2011 10:52 am


Originally Posted by Jenbel (Post 15657563)
I love mashed potato (my own version is made with natural yoghurt, butter and chives), but I do love the way US restaurants do baked potatoes. So in the UK, chips or mash are fine, but in the US then baked :)

Do they even do baked in restaurants in the UK? Bangers and bake? :D

indianwells Jan 15, 2011 1:47 am


Originally Posted by ILuvParis (Post 15658028)
Do they even do baked in restaurants in the UK? Bangers and bake? :D

You will find most pubs that offer food in the UK have baked potatoes on the menu, usually with a savoury topping such as cheese, beans, chilli etc. You don't see them on menus so much in restaurants, baked spuds are seen more as a snack or a light lunch.

bsdstone Jan 16, 2011 4:56 pm


Originally Posted by Rejuvenated (Post 15630757)
Potatoes are often a compliment for steak dishes. Mashed or baked seem to be the most common ones. I prefer mashed potato for my steak if both choices are presented as options. What about about you?

I prefer mashed potatoes when I'm at home...my mother in law taught my wife how to make these KILLER mashed potatoes...cream cheese, sour cream, and butter, etc...YUMMY!
At a restaurant, I usually go baked.

jbdk Jan 19, 2011 10:28 am

Either.. does not matter to me.

Garlic mashed with blue cheese

or

Baked potato rubbed with bacon fat and sea salt. Topped with butter and Kraft BBQ sauce

scubadiver Jan 19, 2011 11:34 am

Baked. Fresh from the garden. Skin flaky, inside steaming. Greek Yoghurt instead of sour cream. Chives, or garlic chives also from the garden.

Wrap the spuds in corn husks (or foil if not corn season,) and bury them in the coals - fireplace or grill. A little burned on the outside is OK.

FlyinHawaiian Jan 19, 2011 11:47 am


Originally Posted by missydarlin (Post 15635404)
I had my Birthday dinner at Roy's and my steak came with a poblano mash. It was so good, everyone kept eating it off my plate...so I had to get an extra side of it. Peasant food my a$$.

I had my birthday dinner at a different Roy's and requested the poblano mashed potatoes instead of the regular ones. So ono! ^^^

CMK10 Jan 19, 2011 12:18 pm


Originally Posted by jbdk (Post 15690377)
Baked potato rubbed with bacon fat and sea salt. Topped with butter and Kraft BBQ sauce

That sounds heavenly

Shangri-La Jan 19, 2011 1:12 pm


Originally Posted by SamCat (Post 15632037)
I think mashed potatoes are peasant food and a cop-out for todays restaurants.
A few years ago , if you served your guests mashed potatoes it was almost an insult. People enjoyed small baked red potatoes, done in spices or wild rice as a side dish,
Mashed potatoes are cheap and easy to make and to add the word garlic makes them seem exotic, but basically it's just cheap filler food! And usually lumpy!
Restaurants are really capitalizing on this concept but I refuse to accept it.

Should be saved for turkey dinners at Thanksgiving and Christmas, masked with gravy. I whip mine with cream cheese, milk and butter.

Peasant food? Really?

Kettering Northants QC Jan 19, 2011 1:21 pm


Originally Posted by pacer142 (Post 15632301)
Fries. But not just *any* fries. Thick, English "steak-cut" chips.

Neil

^

as for Mashed spuds haven't most restaurants got lazy and now refer to them as crushed?

jbdk Jan 20, 2011 8:11 am


Originally Posted by CMK10 (Post 15691165)
That sounds heavenly

Fork a potato and rub the potato with a slice of uncooked bacon to lightly coat it with the bacon fat. Sprinkle a little sea salt. Wrap in foil and toss in a 400 degree oven for around 45 minutes.

Slightly mash up the baked potato and add butter (I prefer Alta Dena creamy butter) and drizzle lightly with Kraft BBQ sauce (not too much).

When finished, make an appt with a cardiologist.

Sweet Willie Jan 20, 2011 3:14 pm


Originally Posted by cordelli (Post 15630847)
I'll take out all the flesh, mash it up, and sop up the juice with it, then probably enjoy the skin.

+1

You want to go where? Jan 21, 2011 4:27 pm

Actually, one thing that really irritates me is the use of the wrong potato for mashing, baking or roasting. For example, someone suggested roasting the little red potatoes. I find that they don't roast nearly as well as russet potatoes which develop a nice crust on the outside, and a fluffy inside.

I also find that red potatoes make a very gluey, unpleasant mashed potato.

The small red new potatoes are best used for salads or just boiled enough so that they are tender.

Dugernaut Jan 21, 2011 6:32 pm

At Home:

Summer-baker

Winter-mashed

In a Steakhouse:

Au Gratin or hashbrown

obscure2k Jan 21, 2011 6:42 pm


Originally Posted by Kettering Northants QC (Post 15691700)
^

as for Mashed spuds haven't most restaurants got lazy and now refer to them as crushed?

More and more referred to as "smashed."

Rejuvenated Jan 22, 2011 1:25 am


Originally Posted by cordelli (Post 15630847)
I'll take out all the flesh, mash it up, and sop up the juice with it, then probably enjoy the skin.

Actually I enjoy eating the skin along with the flesh whenever I have baked potato.

ILuvParis Jan 22, 2011 8:00 am


Originally Posted by obscure2k (Post 15708095)
More and more referred to as "smashed."

IIRC, in the school cafeteria, they always called them "whipped." Even way back then, I'm pretty sure they came out of a box. Ick.

jbdk Jan 22, 2011 4:24 pm


Originally Posted by You want to go where? (Post 15707382)
Actually, one thing that really irritates me is the use of the wrong potato for mashing, baking or roasting. For example, someone suggested roasting the little red potatoes. I find that they don't roast nearly as well as russet potatoes which develop a nice crust on the outside, and a fluffy inside.

I also find that red potatoes make a very gluey, unpleasant mashed potato.

The small red new potatoes are best used for salads or just boiled enough so that they are tender.

For red potoatos...

Cut them up into cubes and toss into a glass pan.

Coat lightly with olive oil. Add garlic, bacon, rosemary, parmesan cheese, and butter.

Cook at 400 for about 30 minutes or until tender.

:)

Icypackattack Jan 23, 2011 1:49 pm

Mashed are the best of the original two (mashed v. baked ), but if fries are an option I will always choose them!!

b1513 Jan 23, 2011 3:30 pm

I love the shoestring fries at Ruth's Chris.

The other night I made Ore Ida frozen mashed potatoes ( you have to add milk and butter) and I would defy anyone to tell that they weren't fresh.

Bobette


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