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ILuvParis Dec 28, 2010 7:48 am

Foodie Fatigue
 
I thought this was interesting.


Kim Dalton would like a wedge of iceberg lettuce.

Or maybe a grilled cheese sandwich. Anything but the fussiness of the foodies she's been experiencing lately. Last spring, a few years after her Ukrainian Village [Chicago] restaurant Dodo went extinct, she took over the old-school lunch spot Dino's Morgan Inn, which stands in a century-old building at the corner of Fulton Market and Morgan Street; there, she serves cheeseburgers and all-day breakfasts to the fish mongers and meat packers who work nearby, to the line cooks at high-end restaurants such as Moto and the Publican and to the people building Grant Achatz's upcoming Next, a few doors away. This puts Dalton, arguably, at the heart of Chicago foodie culture. It also means, she said, "that I get questioned a lot on whether my eggs are organic."

On weekends, she makes okonomiyaki, Japanese pancakes. "The other day a guy came in and said, 'I've had these in Japan. They're not like this. They're bigger. They grill them in front of you. It's supposed to have bonito flakes. And there's meat in it.' 'Well, like, this is how I make it,' I told him."

And it's not just that guy.

A chef she knows told her that one of his friends couldn't enjoy tomatoes anymore unless there was a little char on them.

"I have my food hang-ups, too. I really hate bad hollandaise. But every weekend now we have people in here who are photographing their food. I mean, it's nuts. This whole foodie ideology where people are always talking about their food and worrying about food and where everything on their plate is from — I'm tired of it. I feel like an existential drag saying that. But going out with friends now means eating with picky people. Everyone likes good food. This is an unhealthy obsession."
The rest of the story:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/entert...0,118410.story

nerd Dec 28, 2010 11:35 am

Interesting article. Thanks. ^

bensyd Dec 29, 2010 12:09 am

Hmm...that article reminds me of the paella thread on here.;)

techgirl Dec 29, 2010 12:13 am

Funny... was just discussing this over lunch with a friend. I'm so tired of looking for the next great thing and I'm kind of wishing I could go back to a time before i knew the difference between good and great. I know my waistline would appreciate that too.

FlirtatiousFlyer Dec 31, 2010 12:13 am

carnival
 
This reminds me of how I thought carnival cruiseline buffet was good the first time I had it at 20 on my honeymoon cruise. My palette has matured since then. Needless to say it was not appetizing last time i was on their cruise ship and exposed to the food.

Everydog Dec 31, 2010 2:26 pm

Timely article - I was out for some fine dining (might rather have been home with mac-'n-cheese, but oh well) and the couple at the next table spent at least 15 minutes photographing their beautiful meals and emailing the photos to their friends. Meanwhile, their food grew cold and congealed on their plates.

Kagehitokiri Dec 31, 2010 2:27 pm

foodies are the opposite of picky. food is about thought rather than taste.

im not a foodie, and dont have a sophisticated palate. more simple but expensive.

while i could go for a more sophisticated palate, i would rarely if ever want to put thought above taste. im not an art person at all, and while i can appreciate some experiential things, i dont see the point with food.

or is there a divide within foodies of modern vs traditional? considering pretty much everything (at the top) is modern (just a question of degree) i dont see how that could be possible.

obscure2k Dec 31, 2010 3:47 pm

I used to be devoted to reading Chowhound LA. Now, it seems as though every one is discussing the same half dozen restaurants over and over again and they all share a common trait.... an obsession with offal. Yes, offal is the big thing. Offal and fried pigs ears (crispy with lime).
Foodies have become pretty boring.

obscure2k Aug 6, 2011 7:33 pm


Originally Posted by obscure2k (Post 15557540)
I used to be devoted to reading Chowhound LA. Now, it seems as though every one is discussing the same half dozen restaurants over and over again and they all share a common trait.... an obsession with offal. Yes, offal is the big thing. Offal and fried pigs ears (crispy with lime).
Foodies have become pretty boring.

The more I read the "foodie" forums the more aggravated I become. Chowhound (at least in Los Angeles) is an insult to the intelligence to those who really do follow food and restaurants and look to the poster for intelligent discourse. Moderators are M.IlA. and anonymous. Therefore, obvious trolls are tolerated. Those who write blogs are tolerated.
Read www.chowhound.com in your city and see what you think of the "reviews".
Unfortunately, some look at these reviews, particularly by the bloggers (often invited by management to review every item on the menu). The glowing reviews by bloggers on Chowhound, IMHO are not credible.

Alpha Aug 6, 2011 8:42 pm

Here in San Francisco everyone needs to just shut the hell up about food. One of my colleagues told me that when her younger brother moved into town, he came to her and said "You have to help me. I go out with people and they're talking about food. I don't know how to talk about food." Everyone here is more interested in the idea of the food than the food itself. Take a hike, foodies! I love to cook and I'm as interested in food as the next guy, but shut up!

obscure2k Aug 6, 2011 8:58 pm

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Originally Posted by Alpha (Post 16873280)
Here in San Francisco everyone needs to just shut the hell up about food. One of my colleagues told me that when her younger brother moved into town, he came to her and said "You have to help me. I go out with people and they're talking about food. I don't know how to talk about food." Everyone here is more interested in the idea of the food than the food itself. Take a hike, foodies! I love to cook and I'm as interested in food as the next guy, but shut up!

^^^

notsosmart Aug 7, 2011 10:12 am

I think "foodie culture" is pretty artificial, especially in the USA (and the UK too, those people were eating nothing crap until 20 years ago! :p ). What the heck do Americans *really* know about Italian food, or Thai food, or whatever?

I know Italian because I grew up there, and Japanese because I spent years cooking and serving in Japanese restaurants (and this is still superficial knowledge - I'm not effing Japanese!)

But it seems to me that everyone wants to be an expert on all things food, and the more recherché the meal and ingredients, the better. Nevermind that many of these people have never stepped foot outside of the lower 48... they get the Food Network and they've eaten at Spago, so they *must* be experts.

I don't claim to be an expert, and am always happy to profess ignorance, even about things I should know more about (like in the pizza thread). What I can't stand is all the puffery and arrogance about organic this, and free-range that, and rare Scottish pigs bred only in upstate New York every five years (although the latter do make stupendous whole-hog sausage... :D )

rjque Aug 7, 2011 10:38 am

I'll disagree. I think the increased focus on food in the U.S. is helpful given the fast food trend of the last half century. I like that many more people are thinking about what they are eating and how it got to their plate. Yes, there will inevitably be obnoxious people who take it to an unnecessary extreme, but I suspect that if it were not food, those people would be equally obnoxious about something else.

Kagehitokiri Aug 7, 2011 11:12 am

notsosmart, nationality has nothing to do with knowledge of food, regardless of where that food comes from.

Alpha Aug 7, 2011 12:21 pm


Originally Posted by rjque (Post 16875540)
I'll disagree. I think the increased focus on food in the U.S. is helpful given the fast food trend of the last half century. I like that many more people are thinking about what they are eating and how it got to their plate. Yes, there will inevitably be obnoxious people who take it to an unnecessary extreme, but I suspect that if it were not food, those people would be equally obnoxious about something else.

The phenomenon you're describing is largely specific to those obnoxious people. You see many more people "thinking about what they are eating" because you run in circles where people talk about it. I would argue that the notion that it's spreading to the parts of the country that need to start caring more about their diets is demonstrably false and largely impossible because the "farm to table" thing (in its current form, at least) is far more expensive than those people can afford. The farm-to-table zeitgeist demands much more than a backyard garden. And in any event, for the poor, a garden is not the beginning of some teleological progression toward a healthy "food cycle (insert foodie buzzword here)" or something. It's easy to forget that the ultimate reason poor people tend to eat less healthfully is that healthful food is more expensive; mass produced crap is always going to be cheaper.

I don't think it's an impossible cycle to break, but as with most things that are common in our moderately wealthy circles, they have virtually no resemblance to or effect on what happens in urban ghettos and rural America. You might as well be sticking your head in the sand if you think that only eating at restaurants with locally sourced ingredients and growing tomatoes on your fire escape has anything to do with what Joe Schmo in rural Kansas is eating for lunch. Indeed, fast food continues to be a growing industry in spite of the fact that increasing numbers of affluent people now refuse to eat it.


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