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slawecki Apr 19, 2010 3:01 pm


Originally Posted by ECOTONE (Post 13802010)
wary of white burgs now due to all the fears of premox...and it really does sound like this is a much larger problem than first thought.

i think it a well known problem that is being kept under the table. i have about 10 cases of serious white burg from 96-00 that looks almost like rose. i don't even think the brits could drink this garbage. i am quite angry about this, since i have spent a lot of money in undrinkable wines. they were good when i purchased them.

most of the people i know will not now buy any lay down white burgs.

i have not seen an explanation as to why this stuff turned to .....

i am drinking a 97 catania chard and drink some select CA 96-97 chards that are just fine. they are aging through. the 96 white burg was dead dead by 2001.

i have Jean Marc Boillot Puligny Montrachets. and some other guy's Meursault.

tomsundstrom Apr 19, 2010 10:58 pm

I've had better luck than most on the white burgs, but still have had my fair share of prematurely oxidized stuff. Sadly, I've had my worst luck with grand crus, especially 96s.

There is a pretty good wiki on this: http://oxidised-burgs.wikispaces.com/ in which people share their notes.

Showbizguru Apr 20, 2010 10:32 am


Originally Posted by slawecki (Post 13803488)
i think it a well known problem that is being kept under the table. i have about 10 cases of serious white burg from 96-00 that looks almost like rose. i don't even think the brits could drink this garbage. i am quite angry about this, since i have spent a lot of money in undrinkable wines. they were good when i purchased them.

most of the people i know will not now buy any lay down white burgs.

i have not seen an explanation as to why this stuff turned to .....

i am drinking a 97 catania chard and drink some select CA 96-97 chards that are just fine. they are aging through. the 96 white burg was dead dead by 2001.

i have Jean Marc Boillot Puligny Montrachets. and some other guy's Meursault.



You're quite wrong I'm afraid.
We'll drink anything as long as it's wet and gets us mullahed in double-quick time.

ECOTONE Apr 20, 2010 7:45 pm


Originally Posted by slawecki (Post 13803488)
i think it a well known problem that is being kept under the table. i have about 10 cases of serious white burg from 96-00 that looks almost like rose. i don't even think the brits could drink this garbage. i am quite angry about this, since i have spent a lot of money in undrinkable wines. they were good when i purchased them.

most of the people i know will not now buy any lay down white burgs.

i have not seen an explanation as to why this stuff turned to .....

i am drinking a 97 catania chard and drink some select CA 96-97 chards that are just fine. they are aging through. the 96 white burg was dead dead by 2001.

i have Jean Marc Boillot Puligny Montrachets. and some other guy's Meursault.

Say what you will about Robert Parker (personally, his palate doesn't jive with mine), but he recently published the following regarding premox:

"We started with a delicious, still young and vibrant 1996 Taittinger Comte de Champagne Blanc de Blancs. That was followed by a slightly evolved, golden-colored 1999 Bouchard Montrachet. I just don’t understand why people keep buying all these white Burgundies with seemingly only those from Domaine Leflaive and Coche-Dury being free of oxidation. It is truly one of the biggest scandals in the wine world. I have stopped buying all my favorite white Burgundy producers, including Domaine Leflaive and Coche-Dury, but there it is just a question of the prices being too ridiculous, and I am not in the mood to pay them."

I wish this premox issue was addressed more head on by the Domaine's in Burgundy - but it seems like people are still content paying obnoxious amounts of money for wine that seemingly has a 5-10 year MAX aging potential (and that might even be a stretch these days).


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