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LTN Phobia Feb 18, 2010 12:13 pm


Originally Posted by SFflyer123 (Post 13237743)
Anybody know how much the price is for Marcus WAreing? I looked on the website, but there are no prices listed.

I had their tasting menu and I think it was pretty much the 'normal' London tasting menu price for similar grade of restaurants there, so about £100 or thereabouts without drinks, if my memory serves.

jbcarioca Feb 18, 2010 12:50 pm

My first candidates:

Château Restaurant Joël Robuchon Tokyo
Gary Danko San Francisco
Troisgros Roanne
http://www.hamadaya.info/ Hamadaya, Tokyo

SFflyer123 Feb 27, 2010 6:40 pm

London well-deserved places
 

Originally Posted by phedre (Post 13406965)
Places I'd say deserve their reputations:

Fat Duck - Bray

Sounds like fat duck is a place I should go to.

Originally Posted by LTN Phobia (Post 13415299)
I had their tasting menu and I think it was pretty much the 'normal' London tasting menu price for similar grade of restaurants there, so about £100 or thereabouts without drinks, if my memory serves.

Does "normal" imply good or bad? Blah or up to par? For Marcus Wareing. Sounds like Gordon Ramsay is over-rated and expensive.

tomsundstrom Feb 28, 2010 12:32 am

I was lucky enough to have dined at Le Bernardin four or five times in the 90s and early 2000's, and each time it was a wonderful experience. Taillevent a few years ago was perhaps as perfect a meal as one can get- food, wine, service all coalescing into a beautiful whole. The one time I ate at Gary Danko, the service was fantastic, as good as I've had anywhere, while the food was just a shade below my expectations (although very good!).

I know that this thread has focused more on high-end restaurants, but it also brought to mind those highly rated restaurants that are more like "cult favorites." In other words, not expensive, but for those "in the know." The top of my list is Lotus of Siam in Las Vegas, which has never disappointed for Thai Food (Gourmet had rated it the top Thai restaurant in the US once upon a time).

And then there are the local favorites, which always rate highly and deserve it, like Chapeau!, Delfina, Acquerello or Zuni Cafe to name a few in San Francisco.

moien Feb 28, 2010 9:53 am

Luxembourg
 
A few names in Luxembourg (as there is not much information in FT) other than the obvious options Mosconi (Italian) and Kamakura (Japanese):

In town:
Lagura (Fusion Italian-Asiatic cuisine);
La Mirabelle (French);
Brasserie Mansfeld

Our of town:
Lea Linster in Frisange, near the French border (French International).
La Table des Guilloux in Schouweiller (French). He just renounced his two MIchelin stars but probably the best in the country.

JiangsuLu2002 Mar 1, 2010 11:00 am

Alinea

Ate there this past weekend for my first time. It was a very unique experience that I thoroughly enjoyed. The creativity of the menu in combination with the incredible flavor combinations left me with a smile on my face throughout the entire experience. I would put it up there with Momofuku Ko, as one of the best dining experiences I've ever had.

LTN Phobia Mar 1, 2010 12:47 pm


Originally Posted by SFflyer123 (Post 13478803)
Does "normal" imply good or bad? Blah or up to par? For Marcus Wareing. Sounds like Gordon Ramsay is over-rated and expensive.

Similar 'grade' as in the number of Michelin stars, location etc. I mentioned the price to be "normal" as in not being a lot more or a lot less expensive than others, not so much in terms of my own judgement as to whether it was good value or not.

Anyway, if I may include my opinion on it, I thought Marcus Wareing's tasting menu was well worth the price. In fact, I thought it was excellent value for money. I'd go back there in a flash.

Regarding Gordon Ramsay, I like Restaurant Gordon Ramsay (on Royal Hospital Road), although I don't like Gordon Ramsay at the Claridges (too many over-cooked things, not really great service). RGR was more expensive than the one at the Claridges but better value for money due to better cooking and better services IMO.

baggageinhall Mar 1, 2010 3:01 pm


Originally Posted by LTN Phobia (Post 13488839)
Similar 'grade' as in the number of Michelin stars, location etc. I mentioned the price to be "normal" as in not being a lot more or a lot less expensive than others, not so much in terms of my own judgement as to whether it was good value or not.

Anyway, if I may include my opinion on it, I thought Marcus Wareing's tasting menu was well worth the price. In fact, I thought it was excellent value for money. I'd go back there in a flash.

Regarding Gordon Ramsay, I like Restaurant Gordon Ramsay (on Royal Hospital Road), although I don't like Gordon Ramsay at the Claridges (too many over-cooked things, not really great service). RGR was more expensive than the one at the Claridges but better value for money due to better cooking and better services IMO.

+1

Marcus Wareing's restaurant is well worth visiting. In terms of 2 star restaurants in London, I would put it on a par with Pied a Terre and ahead of the Square, the Capital.

LTN Phobia Mar 1, 2010 4:23 pm


Originally Posted by baggageinhall (Post 13489898)

Marcus Wareing's restaurant is well worth visiting. In terms of 2 star restaurants in London, I would put it on a par with Pied a Terre and ahead of the Square, the Capital.

That's exactly how I rate them too.

One thing I should probably say is that I thought the Capital was undeserving of 2 stars. I was quite disappointed with the quality of food.

SFflyer123 Mar 1, 2010 11:09 pm


Originally Posted by baggageinhall (Post 13489898)
+1

Marcus Wareing's restaurant is well worth visiting. In terms of 2 star restaurants in London, I would put it on a par with Pied a Terre and ahead of the Square, the Capital.


SFflyer123 Mar 1, 2010 11:11 pm

Somewhat of a foodie in London
 

Originally Posted by LTN Phobia (Post 13490438)
That's exactly how I rate them too.

One thing I should probably say is that I thought the Capital was undeserving of 2 stars. I was quite disappointed with the quality of food.

I am somewhat of a foodie, and I like fine dining. I will try the following when I am in London for a week:

Fat Duck
Marcus Wareing
Pierd A Terre
Gordon Ramsay.

Any other "must go to" places?

LTN Phobia Mar 2, 2010 6:03 am


Originally Posted by SFflyer123 (Post 13492515)
I am somewhat of a foodie, and I like fine dining. I will try the following when I am in London for a week:

Fat Duck
Marcus Wareing
Pierd A Terre
Gordon Ramsay.

Any other "must go to" places?

Be careful to book the 'right' Gordon Ramsay, i.e. not the one at the Claridges hotel but the one called "Restaurant Gordon Ramsay" on Royal Hospital Road.

I liked Alain Ducasse at the Dorchester but some people don't seem to like it.

I also like Le Gavroche. Different kind (a bit 'richer, heavier' if I may say) of food from the likes of Pied a Terre and MW but I liked it equally. It's a bit formal and some people find it stuffy, but I like that.

If you like Japanese food, I highly recommend Umu. It's a Kyokaiseki (kaiseki from Kyoto) restaurant and the cooking is authentic. It may not suit those who are unfamiliar with Japanese food as it's not "westernised" like Nobu, but I find that their food quality (and presentation and service) is far, far better than that of Nobu.

If you like Chinese food, Hakkasan is good. The restaurant is pretty dark though, so if you need reading glasses, bring a strong pair (I know it might sound like a stupid thing to say but it can be useful to some people). Their food is light and delicious.

Another good place is Tom Aikens. Food was great, although presentation occasionally left a bit to be desired, in that too many similar-coloured dishes were part of the tasting menu. But otherwise, it was really good. A very nice and airy restaurant too, on a quiet street.

Fat Duck - if you are by yourself, you can generally only book a table during the week (and well in advance, usually) so call them early. I haven't managed to eat there yet for this reason, because I tend to be in London over the weekend. Also it's not in London so allow travelling time when you construct your itinerary.

TRAVELSIG Mar 2, 2010 6:07 am


Originally Posted by LTN Phobia (Post 13493602)
If you like Japanese food, I highly recommend Umu. It's a Kyokaiseki (kaiseki from Kyoto) restaurant and the cooking is authentic. It may not suit those who are unfamiliar with Japanese food as it's not "westernised" like Nobu, but I find that their food quality (and presentation and service) is far, far better than that of Nobu.

+1

baggageinhall Mar 2, 2010 7:48 am


Originally Posted by LTN Phobia (Post 13493602)
Be careful to book the 'right' Gordon Ramsay, i.e. not the one at the Claridges hotel but the one called "Restaurant Gordon Ramsay" on Royal Hospital Road.

I liked Alain Ducasse at the Dorchester but some people don't seem to like it.

I also like Le Gavroche. Different kind (a bit 'richer, heavier' if I may say) of food from the likes of Pied a Terre and MW but I liked it equally. It's a bit formal and some people find it stuffy, but I like that.

If you like Japanese food, I highly recommend Umu. It's a Kyokaiseki (kaiseki from Kyoto) restaurant and the cooking is authentic. It may not suit those who are unfamiliar with Japanese food as it's not "westernised" like Nobu, but I find that their food quality (and presentation and service) is far, far better than that of Nobu.

If you like Chinese food, Hakkasan is good. The restaurant is pretty dark though, so if you need reading glasses, bring a strong pair (I know it might sound like a stupid thing to say but it can be useful to some people). Their food is light and delicious.

Another good place is Tom Aikens. Food was great, although presentation occasionally left a bit to be desired, in that too many similar-coloured dishes were part of the tasting menu. But otherwise, it was really good. A very nice and airy restaurant too, on a quiet street.

Fat Duck - if you are by yourself, you can generally only book a table during the week (and well in advance, usually) so call them early. I haven't managed to eat there yet for this reason, because I tend to be in London over the weekend. Also it's not in London so allow travelling time when you construct your itinerary.

Since LTN Phobia seem ad idem on some of London's 2 stars! :D

1. Avoid the Ramsay group aside from 'Restaurant Gordon Ramsay' on Royal Hospital Road in Chelsea.

2. Alan Ducasse - good, but there are better Ducasse restaurants elsewhere.

3. La Gavaroche - proper old school French food. Their lunch menu is fantastic if you can't get a table in the evening. (As an aside, a number of places in London have upped their game at lunchtime to improve trade)

4. Umu is on my list of places to go, but I have few friends who are into authentic Japanese food

5. Chinese - I am a big fan of Princess Garden of Mayfair. It is expensive (probably unnecessarily so) but so far, it's as close as I have got to a grand banqueting suite in Beijing.

6. The Fat Duck - Again, you might find it easier to get a lunch reservation than dinner. Bray is about 45 minutes west of London and unlike Yountville, is accessible by public transport (apologies for the subtle dig)! Staying over in Bray itself is eyewateringly expensive due to the small supply of beds and the perennial demand. You can stay close by Maidenhead or Windsor and get a taxi to and from. Alternatively, get the train out to Maidenhead have a leisurely lunch and then get the train back in the late afternoon.

LTN Phobia Mar 2, 2010 12:10 pm


Originally Posted by baggageinhall (Post 13494071)
2. Alan Ducasse - good, but there are better Ducasse restaurants elsewhere.

Agreed. Generally I like Ducasse style cooking in any case but I have had better Ducasse cooking.
The location helps though, being that the Dorchester is my favourite hotel in London.

As an aside, I'm hoping that the cooking at Cafe de la Paix and IC Le Grand Paris will be better in the future since the new head chef comes from Ducasse.


4. Umu is on my list of places to go, but I have few friends who are into authentic Japanese food
They sometimes run cooking demonstrations / 'chef's talk' thing at lunch time - you get to taste lots of sake as well. If you feel a bit uneasy about going there by yourself, I suggest joining the demo/chef's talk (you get to eat quite a lot too) as the atmosphere is friendly and you get to talk to interesting people too. Anyway, I'm usually on my own when I go there and they've been very good to me.

In fact, I haven't had any issue for being on my own at any of the restaurants I've been to. Solo dining is great - you don't have to worry about anyone else.


5. Chinese - I am a big fan of Princess Garden of Mayfair.
Thank you for the recommendation. I'll have to try this!


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