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knfenimore Aug 11, 2010 12:32 pm


Originally Posted by tkey75 (Post 14442451)
Pop into the W0X0F_2P2 thread and ask there. He's quick with a good answer.

I believe what you talk about is done, as it is a defined procedure, but since time is money in the sims, there's an abbreviation you say that indicates you've done the proper pa's. Again, ask W0X0F.

The new 777-2 uses IBM PC's with 32 bit processors. The older 767 sims use IBM F50's with 16bit processors. The determining factor for host a sim is not power, but timing. Processes are updated by frames per second, 60 frames per second. First instruments are updated, then motion and finally visual. This was you can not perceive a lag between input from the control and response time of the hardware.


Originally Posted by Wiirachay (Post 14441585)
knfenimore,

I take it that there is someone (or people?) elsewhere in the building simulating ATC, departure control, arrival control, ground control, etc.?

Are the pilots in the sim required to do the broadcasts to the passengers and flight attendants? (e.g. "Flight attendants, please prepare for departure," "ladies and gentlemen, this is your captain speaking. We're now cruising at 31,000 feet.")

What kind of computer processors/systems run the sims?

- Pat

The instructor in the sim makes GND and ATC calls. The crew responds to the instructor as if he is ATC or gnd control. They can make simulate attendant calls. They simulate the full flight, but they do not make passenger info calls.


Originally Posted by ifette (Post 14441238)
Any recommendations for those of us who want to do 15 minutes of touch and go landings? What runways are loaded in the simulator? I'm assuming DEN is loaded, which AFAIK has the longest US runway, but is BPX/ZUBD loaded? (2000ft longer). I want to make sure that if I am trying to do a touch and go in a 777 that I have plenty of runway :)


Check the list I posted. There are a number of tricky airports. I like DCA, because its surrounded by water and has the monuments. You can pick any from the list. Just look up rwy length.


Originally Posted by Italy98 (Post 14441363)
Opposite of ifette's question, what are the shortest runways avaiable where one can try to land a 777? Not that I would want to try any C-130 maneuvers . . .

I'm not sure on shortest rwy, but find one from the list and look it up. Jackson Hole with ice and snow is fun.

nichojo Aug 11, 2010 1:02 pm


Originally Posted by knfenimore (Post 14463023)
I'm not sure on shortest rwy, but find one from the list and look it up. Jackson Hole with ice and snow is fun.


Thanks for all the info Kevin. I was in the 737 sim a couple months ago and had a blast. Too bad the instructor tried to get me to crash into Turner field - I just wanted to fly!!!

fpm Aug 11, 2010 1:21 pm


Location
All Delta sims are in ATL. We have 3 Full Flight sim buildings and a Ground Training Center which has CAPT's & FTD's.
Keith
Is this still the case or are here sims up in Eagan?

sc flier Aug 11, 2010 2:46 pm


Originally Posted by Dovster (Post 14462958)
According to the list posted above, no DL pilots have the opportunity to practice flying into/out of TLV.

Is it not exactly the same as flying into/out of Puente Genil Airport which is on the above list?

DaddyRabbit Aug 11, 2010 2:53 pm

DL Simulators
 

Originally Posted by knfenimore (Post 7763892)
Hello
I'm a Delta Airlines simulator technician. I have been with Delta since 1987. I would be happy to take questions on Delta's simulators. I do not speak on behalf of Delta Airlines, but I am a proud Delta employee. Our pilot training is second to none.
Knfenimore

The pilots are great. They have worked for me for 3 million miles.

I advise you not to get involved in any public discussion. Given that you have worked for DL for so long, you may wish to continue until you retire. Let management answer any questions. You will not be a winner if you become involved.

Gargoyle Aug 21, 2010 12:33 pm

Canarsie or ATLDLFF posted photos of the sim, but I can't find them. What was the URL?

TIA,

Cholula Aug 21, 2010 1:52 pm


Originally Posted by Gargoyle (Post 14521823)
Canarsie or ATLDLFF posted photos of the sim, but I can't find them. What was the URL?

TIA,

Are these the ones you're looking for??

Italy98 Aug 21, 2010 5:31 pm


Originally Posted by knfenimore (Post 14462870)
This is a list of models for 777-2. This is our latest visual display system. Class 1 models are exactly like the airport. Class 2 are close, but do not have to be exact. The lower list is for the other sims. We have 2 different kinds of visual systems and they have different airport models. You can look up the airports and find rwy lengths and choose the airport you want. You will need to specify the airport code and rwy. We do not have them memorized. . . . snip . . .

I noticed IND is not listed. Is this an oversight or is there not a program due to the new airport?

simuflite Oct 12, 2011 3:15 am

Thread back from the dead!

I'm Chris and I work alongside the OP. Sorry to report that due to the facility consolidation from MSP to ATL, the L-1011 and MD-11 simulators have been sold and as such are in the process of being either dismantled entirely or moved to another location.

The L-1011 simulator was one of - if not THE - only TriStar device still certified. Up until 2008 or so, this trainer was used almost on a daily basis by the now-defunct ATA. Pretty impressive that this device was maintained for as long as it was, considering Delta retired the L-1011 over a decade ago.

The two MD-11 simulators have a similar story to tell. We had two MD-11 simulators - one originally acquired by Delta when the type was introduced and another shortly thereafter. The second simulator was actually originally built for British Caledonian. You airline history buffs will no doubt remember that "BCal" actually had an order on the books with McDonald Douglas for the MD-11. This order was quickly canceled by British Airways following the acquisition of BCal by BA in the 1990s. The simulator needed a new home and eventually made its way to Atlanta. World Airways relied on Delta almost exclusively for their three-holer training but that too has come to an end, at least with regards to the MD-11s. They will continue to use one of the simulators, albeit after it has been relocated to another facility by the purchaser.

As I said, all of these recent changes are due to the facility consolidation currently underway; 12 months from now, the space vacated by these simulators will be filled with those from MSP (e.g. A320s, A330s, and additional 757s).

Thanks for flying Delta,
Chris

Dovster Oct 12, 2011 3:50 am


Originally Posted by simuflite (Post 17259957)

I'm Chris and I work alongside the OP. Sorry to report that due to the facility consolidation from MSP to ATL, the L-1011 and MD-11 simulators have been sold and as such are in the process of being either dismantled entirely or moved to another location.

Are you therefore denying the unpublished and unconfirmed, but highly believable, rumor that the MD-11 simulator was hijacked by Canarsie and is currently in constant use in his Marietta living room?

simuflite Oct 12, 2011 4:18 am

I can not confirm nor deny said rumor... :-)

TheMoose Oct 12, 2011 6:48 am


Originally Posted by simuflite (Post 17259957)
As I said, all of these recent changes are due to the facility consolidation currently underway; 12 months from now, the space vacated by these simulators will be filled with those from MSP (e.g. A320s, A330s, and additional 757s).

Presumably also the 747 sims will be moving to ATL as well.

Do you know the logic behind moving the sims from MSP to ATL? I know that after the merger DL spent some money to refurbish/reconfigure Building N in MSP (where the sims were located), and moving sims, transplanting the sim instructors, etc. is not a cheap or fast proposition. Was there really that much savings in pulling out of MSP like that? It's not like Building N was the old NW HQ or any other building; all they did there was sim training. Wouldn't there also be some benefit in having two training locations in case there are backlogs (esp. on a common fleet type like the 757s)?

Just curious. With the announcement earlier this year that DL was moving all the sims and much of the maintenance from MSP to ATL, well after the merger was pretty much complete, makes you wonder about the whole "committed to MSP" thing they had always been talking about.

BonzoESC Oct 12, 2011 8:24 am


Originally Posted by simuflite (Post 17259957)
Thread back from the dead!

I'm Chris and I work alongside the OP. Sorry to report that due to the facility consolidation from MSP to ATL, the L-1011 and MD-11 simulators have been sold and as such are in the process of being either dismantled entirely or moved to another location.

The L-1011 simulator was one of - if not THE - only TriStar device still certified. Up until 2008 or so, this trainer was used almost on a daily basis by the now-defunct ATA. Pretty impressive that this device was maintained for as long as it was, considering Delta retired the L-1011 over a decade ago.

That would be why @DeltaAssist never responded to my tweet:
Hey @deltaassist, you have a L-1011 sim in Atlanta but nobody flies those anymore. Can I try it some time?

Canarsie Oct 12, 2011 8:31 am


Originally Posted by simuflite (Post 17259957)
Thread back from the dead!

...and thank you for that!

Originally Posted by Dovster (Post 17260010)
Are you therefore denying the unpublished and unconfirmed, but highly believable, rumor that the MD-11 simulator was hijacked by Canarsie and is currently in constant use in his Marietta living room?

Please allow me to correct you to a speculation that would be far more plausible:

Are you therefore denying the unpublished and unconfirmed, but highly believable, rumor that the Boeing 777-200LR simulator was hijacked by atldlff and is currently in constant use in his living room?

jsmith50 Oct 12, 2011 9:04 am

So...since it seems that many of our fellow FTers have been in the sims in ATL. How does one go about having that privilage?


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