I understand now that Concourse E immigrations, international arrival baggage claim, & customs at ATL is for connecting-only passengers. Like IAD midfield setup.

It would be prudent therefore to utilize the <24 hour connection rule on international tariffs so the throw-away segment is on the day following arrival.

That's a very good point. . . . If they're gonna have checked bags . . . . .








& Again, assuming that someone wants to knowingly, voluntarily and blatantly commit a felony of wire fraud! :eek:

;)

I still don't get it. So say you are throwing away the next segment. Pick up your bag in E, go through immigrations and customs in E, and don't re-check the bag? Is the problem now that you have to do a long walk with your big bag, or something else?

The problem is that, there's NO airport exit at Terminal E!

If you arrive on an int'l flight at Term E, and you want to skip a segment and just leave the airport, you hafto go thru TSA security to get dumped into the mainstream flow of screened passengers - then take the tram to either the Term F exit, or take the tram to the main airport baggage claim exit. So, if your bag is too big for the x-ray machine, or if you have liquids or knives / sharp items, etc, in that bag, you're STUCK! You can't take that checked bag thru TSA security!

What am I not explaining correctly? :)

Folks continue to read without comprehension. I'll let others judge the intentionality of that action.

Often1 was addressing the situation where someone, with premeditation, purchases a ticket with the willful intention of violating the terms and conditions associated with the ticket... in order to achieve a financial gain that correspondingly disadvantages Delta.

You, on the other hand, in order to compare apples and oranges, describe a situation where unanticipated, exigent circumstances required a PAX to interrupt a journey that he otherwise intended to fully complete to the destination reflected on the purchased itinerary. (And, kudos to the DL staff who helped him. ^)

Is the distinction, based upon original intent, all that hard to discriminate?

So normal flyers take their bags to bag drop for Delta to tag them on to their final domestic destination. Flyers skipping the last segment would have to tell the Delta rep, "Please send my bags to another part of the airport for pick-up." Might work or might not depending on the Delta rep. Personally, I'd avoid doing that.

Basically, yes - IF they have checked bags that they can't take thru TSA security.

That may or may not be true, but it doesn't make Often1's original claim that this would constitute wire fraud any less absurd. Then again, as was already pointed out upthread, Often1 often advances positions in defense of airlines that have no real basis in the law or even the conditions of carriage, so it probably shouldn't be surprising. If the reaction to the claim was perhaps overheated, it's probably because the claim itself was ridiculous.

People might feel bad about acting unethically against airlines ... if airlines seemed to care about acting ethically towards passengers.

Treat others as you wish to be treated...

Ah ha. That was the missing piece of information from before (well, not that there's no terminal exit, but also apparently no way to stay "landside" after clearing customs).

i suspect it possible to tell the DL agent at baggage recheck desk Concourse E that you are sick, no longer flying onwards from ATL, rip luggage tags off, and have DL retag to send your luggage to domestic baggage claim in T.

Anyway, just avoid the problem all together by using your <24 connection rights smartly.

Although customers may not like some of the changes that have occurred over the years, these changes are a direct result of customers' desires. 80% of the people on the aircraft prioritize cheap over anything else. You can routinely find fares to the other side of the world and back for $500 which is incredibly cheap by any standard. People whine and complain, but the fact that they continue to purchase these tickets and patronize the airline with the cheapest tickets knowing full well the lack of service that's provided shows that cheap is what customers want. For the other 20% (like myself), airlines have provided very affordable F/J and W products.


A business, like any company, has to respond to the preferences of its customers, and airlines are doing just that. Sorry if you find responding to customer preferences unethical. Times are good for airlines now, but the airline business is very cyclical, and airlines are currently experiencing rising costs with flat to declining revenue. This is not a good combination once jet fuel prices increase and the global economy goes into recession (I am not saying it will be anytime soon, but eventually those items are inevitable). If you think that airlines are making too much, the great thing about the U.S. is you can start your own airline (airlines have some of the lowest barriers to entry of any industry) and you can provide the level of service you believe is ethical.

Wow. What a reversal of intent from that of "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

That is supposed to mean "Demonstrate high standards of behavior that others should emulate."

For you, it seems to mean "Stoop as low as the next person."

Self-serving situational ethics are never pretty.

My understanding is that you can inform TSA that you do not wish to complete screening, and they will escort you out of the airport.

I'm no lawyer but in criminal law, intent generally only applies to the severity of the crime. If I point a gun at someone as a joke and "accidentally" pull the trigger and kill them, do I get to go on my merry way without being charged with murder?