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Originally Posted by rylan
(Post 35879175)
This needs a lot more clarification from DL on how the rankings are actually set up in their system. Fare bucket has no impact on upgrade priority now? So a DM on a Y ticket will be behind someone who bought a cheap V based C+ ticket?
After any DM in C+ gets upgraded, then its MM status that will be the most important? I mean, as a 2MM this will work out very well for me, but just seems bizarre that they'd decouple the fare bucket from the ranking. |
Originally Posted by dw
(Post 35878908)
(Yes, I know some Silver may chime in to say, but they were upgraded on a 7 am LGA-BOS shuttle flight on Christmas Day… but as a lowly Plat my place on the upgrade list is usually around #10 with 0 or 1 F seat available.) |
Originally Posted by xliioper
(Post 35879224)
A V Main fare on DTW-LAX currently goes for $253 each-way, while the upfare difference to V basis C+ fare is $230 ($483 total each-way). That's almost as much as a Q Main fare on the route. It'd be interesting to take your Skymiles out of reservation at booking and see what the FCM offers are to upgrade to C+ (and then add Skymiles number back after upgrade).
I still think C+ prices are insanely high for the benefit of sitting in C+, let alone solely to increase your upgrade odds, but that's me. |
Originally Posted by findark
(Post 35879269)
I still think C+ prices are insanely high for the benefit of sitting in C+, let alone solely to increase your upgrade odds, but that's me.
Some Diamonds and Plats will have corporate travel polices that let them book extra legroom seats; upgrade priority (and the extra MQDs) will certainly encourage the buy up, even though they would otherwise get C+ for free. |
Just spent some time looking through the wording regarding upgrade priority, including the newly-published wording.
In the original published new upgrade priority months ago, it established a clear rank: Priority 1: Medallion Status Priority 2: Cabin purchased Priority 3: Million Miler Status Priority 4: Delta SkyMiles Reserve American Express Card etc. However, the newest verbiage says: "Delta SkyMiles Reserve American Express Card Members will have a higher prioritization within their Medallion group for upgrades." If Delta SkyMiles Reserve American Express Card Members will have a higher prioritization within their Medallion group for upgrades, does that not make holding this card, in reality, the first tiebreaker? Does it not place it above cabin purchased and Million Miler status? Not sure how to read it any other way, and now totally confused. It does not say that this "higher prioritization" for the card is subservient to cabin purchased or MM status as it appeared to be in the original priority ranking. I suspect this is just poor wording, but it introduces a substantial amount of doubt as to whether the originally-published priority ranking is the true one. You could be a DM/MM buying C+ and still get trumped by a DM with the Delta Reserve card, if this is an accurate depiction. The more I look at it, the more I think this was just a botched job of writing it. |
Originally Posted by dw
(Post 35878908)
The funniest thing about this example provided by DL is the idea that two Golds would even be competing for a (realistically non existent) upgrade lol
(Yes, I know some Silver may chime in to say, but they were upgraded on a 7 am LGA-BOS shuttle flight on Christmas Day… but as a lowly Plat my place on the upgrade list is usually around #10 with 0 or 1 F seat available.) Either I'm confused or people are making this way harder than it is Criteria 1- Medalion status- Diamond First then Platinum, Gold Silver Criteria 2-Cabin purchased- PS, Comfort Plus, Main Criteria 3 Million Miler Status Criteria 4 Reserve Amex There's more but I doubt we will get there very much So a Diamond who buys Comfort+ will be ahead of a Diamond that buys main even if they are a million miler even if the main cost 10x more than the C+ and they have the reserve card |
I don't know if this is intended to try to get PM/DM to buy C+ at booking, but I don't really see that happening. The price DL is charging over Y on many routes now for C+ is outrageous. I've see numerous occasions where the FCM offer after booking is less than the extra they wanted for C+ during booking. Also why pay for C+ when its comp for us? It doesn't guarantee by any means that paying that extra will result in a F seat especially with the FCM offers and those who just pay for F outright.
Sounds like a fools game to pay a couple hundred more for a unknown improved change at an upgrade where you may be #2 for 0 seats instead of #4 for 0. lol |
Originally Posted by Robert Leach
(Post 35879744)
In the original published new upgrade priority months ago, it established a clear rank:
However, the newest verbiage says: "Delta SkyMiles Reserve American Express Card Members will have a higher prioritization within their Medallion group for upgrades." https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...b63a14d126.png |
Anyone also notice this verbiage in the 'additional details' area after the priority list? Not sure if this was there previously, but sure seems intended to kill the battlefield upgrades and make more room for Shena. :p
Complimentary Upgrades are not available for selection by any passenger while onboard the aircraft regardless of Status or fare class. |
Originally Posted by Robert Leach
(Post 35879744)
However, the newest verbiage says: "Delta SkyMiles Reserve American Express Card Members will have a higher prioritization within their Medallion group for upgrades."
The more I look at it, the more I think this was just a botched job of writing it. |
Originally Posted by Robert Leach
(Post 35879744)
Just spent some time looking through the wording regarding upgrade priority, including the newly-published wording.
In the original published new upgrade priority months ago, it established a clear rank: Priority 1: Medallion Status Priority 2: Cabin purchased Priority 3: Million Miler Status Priority 4: Delta SkyMiles Reserve American Express Card etc. However, the newest verbiage says: "Delta SkyMiles Reserve American Express Card Members will have a higher prioritization within their Medallion group for upgrades." If Delta SkyMiles Reserve American Express Card Members will have a higher prioritization within their Medallion group for upgrades, does that not make holding this card, in reality, the first tiebreaker? Does it not place it above cabin purchased and Million Miler status? Not sure how to read it any other way, and now totally confused. It does not say that this "higher prioritization" for the card is subservient to cabin purchased or MM status as it appeared to be in the original priority ranking. I suspect this is just poor wording, but it introduces a substantial amount of doubt as to whether the originally-published priority ranking is the true one. You could be a DM/MM buying C+ and still get trumped by a DM with the Delta Reserve card, if this is an accurate depiction. The more I look at it, the more I think this was just a botched job of writing it. They removed reference to upgrade certificate application from the upgrade priority chart; they now say that certificates which are still waitlisted at check-in will go to an airport standby list which is to be cleared ahead before processing complimentary upgrades (I wonder if this is the same standby list used for displaced/SDC F pax? This would have the property of making a displaced/SDC F pax first-in-line (ahead of upgrade certificates)) and will follow the same prioritization algorithm as complimentary upgrades. Re: battlefield upgrades, there's also: Through the coordination of our gate agents and flight attendants, if you have already boarded but are the next Medallion Member on the upgrade list when an upgrade becomes available, we will do our very best to upgrade you before takeoff, when possible. |
Originally Posted by rylan
(Post 35879827)
Anyone also notice this verbiage in the 'additional details' area after the priority list? Not sure if this was there previously, but sure seems intended to kill the battlefield upgrades and make more room for Shena. :p
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Originally Posted by findark
(Post 35879816)
If you scroll down that page to the Priority chart you posted the screenshot of, then at the section below it entitled "Things To Know About Upgrade Priority" there is the blurb about the Reserve Card that I quoted. Here is that entire section: Things to Know About Upgrade Priority:
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Has anyone seen it actually play out where C+ (paid) was upgraded over higher main cabin fare? I just don't trust the interns that write this stuff to get it right. (Ie understand that C+ is not equal to PS)
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Originally Posted by Robert Leach
(Post 35879744)
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The more I look at it, the more I think this was just a botched job of writing it. This isn’t different from the various cards touting elevated boarding order status. |
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