CVG downsizing
 

Fly out of CVG probably 6-7 times a year. Noticed a few things today;

1.) Appears Delta’s check in area has been shrunk. They’re still on the left side but several of the check in desks have been removed of all branding.

2.) Flew out of B9 this morning; the Delta branding of the gate was also removed. Also noticed this on B10, B7, and maybe B8? Also all mention of Delta walking down those jet bridges have been removed.

just a sad reminder of Delta’s continued shrinking out of CVG.

DL has been adding flights via CVG. Are you sure they're not simply updating?

Maybe their long term contract for most of that airport finally expired? Awhile ago they agreed to let the airport tear down a concourse despite still having to pay for it.

Are other airlines using gates in the B concourse? Maybe it’s AA I am thinking of that now uses gates in B instead of Concourse A (either gates in A and B or now just B).


***Edit: I checked the status of todays CVG-DFW AA flights and all departed from gates B22, B24, and B28. Maybe this is why some B gates are unbranded or even common use.

AA has taken over a decent number of gates in the B concourse as of the last time I was in CVG.

I fly out of CVG every week on DL. In my opinion, DL has maintained their flight level at a minimum or even increased it. The passenger level is back above pre covid. There are still some DL directs that I wish they would bring back(DFW, BWI, SFO, PHL, AUS) but they options are still good enough for me. DAY has REALLY reduced their DL presence. Only ATL and LGA(1x day)

CVG also lost BDL, CLT, MCI, STL, and ORD (and seasonal CUN) flights during Covid. AUS flights have actually returned but only operate 5x weekly starting next month. AA has stated that they want to grow CVG.

Totally forgot about those, especially the ORD one. Would love to see that one back as well. I think they had AUS and then stopped it recently. Glad to hear its coming back. I am glad CVG still has the LAX and LAS directs, even if the returns are red eyes. I take those each at least once a month and it makes life so much easier.

DL has brought back CVG-AUS. I do with they'd bring back some of the daytime flights back from the West Coast (LAX & LAS). These flights are redeyes right now (and really early departures out of CVG). SEA-CVG is currently a daytime flight and CVG-SEA is a late evening departure.

Agree that the DL service at DAY is pretty sparse and hasn't seen much recovery. About the only form of recovery is we've gone back up to being all CR9s to ATL to being all or mostly mainline again to ATL. But it seems like long gone are the days of a 2-3x a day to DTW plus 1-2x a day to MSP plus 5-6x daily to ATL, including the occasional 757 to ATL. And the flight times are rough too. On some days the only arrival into DAY after the lunch window via ATL is the midnight arrival. Going out of DAY, the first flight out is 6:00 AM then one around noon and then now a 2:30 PM flight. No early evening departure at least on this week's schedule. I often find myself driving to CMH or CVG for way better schedules and options.

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Yeah living in Dayton its been tough to see how they have "de flowered" DAY. I am now 95% out of CVG. Its only about a 60 min drive early in the am, but still. For some reason I never even think of CMH. Creature of habit to CVG. Plus it has a skyclub and I am a travel snob:)

CMH is supposed to add more DL flights once a new terminal is in place along with a Sky Club
In addition, with the high populatin growth in Central Ohio along with the thousands of new jobs coming to the area (Intel as an example), I would expect DL to become a more prominent player at CMH

which is head-to-head with Alaska's 1x daily

AUS-CVG is daily service, albeit DL Connection.

It's daily for a couple more weeks. It then goes 5x weekly through end-of-schedule.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...6bbb40aaa7.png

Makes sense to me. AUS-CVG has been a light load everytime I've been on it.

Delta is slowly adding flights back to CVG. I think different airlines are using concourse B (Breeze/AA), which makes sense since a lot of those gates aren't getting utilized by DL as much, especially since the de-hubbing. Personally, I'd like it if UA would start flying out of B and A would just be for low cost/charter airlines.

The CVG-CDG flight is now a 767-400, from a -300. CVG-MSP will see at least one mainline 717 daily starting soon. One CVG-DTW frequency will be upgraded to a A320. CVG-LAS/LAX will start seeing A321's instead of 739's.

Interesting and helpful updates. Thank you . The 7171 on MSP will be a nice little perk. Not that the 900 is as bad as the ol 200, but still not as roomy as the 717. I take the LAS/LAX flights quite often, but i really don't have a preference on with the 737 vs 321, at least I haven't noticed any difference in first.

Technically, it's mostly upguages on equipment and not so much adding flights back. It seems pretty clear most of the DL routes that used to operate exclusively with CRJ-200s pre-Covid will not be returning. While they have upped frequencies to 8x daily on CVG-ATL (8th flight is added June 8th for SuMoThFr) from 6x last year, CVG-DTW and CVG-MSP have lost a frequency from 5x to 4x daily compared to 2021 as they moved up from smaller regional jets to larger ones and mainline flights.

I fail to see how Dayton was ever flowered to begin with.

Is there a timeline for opening new terminal at CMH?
C'mon, it's Flyertalk, use direct and non-stop correctly. :)

Agree. DAY was never a huge outpost, but it served its purpose with service to MSP. DTW and ATL. If i had to go to a city that I had to connect anyway(Green Bay, Little Rock, OK City) it was nice to have a few options other than just the current ATL. The DAY-LGA service is nice but I can not make the times work with my schedules in NYC. Leaves DAY too late to be productive in NCY and leaves LGA too early to be productive as well.

Because we're the "Birthplace of Aviation" :D

But to answer your question, one big factor is that the largest employer in the state of Ohio, Wright-Patterson AFB, is in the Dayton metro area and that employer generates a lot of travel in both directions (people at WPAFB traveling to other locations and people in other locations coming to WPAFB for business) by nature of the primary mission here at WPAFB.

Are you sure about the claim that Wright-Pat is the largest employer in the state? My cursory examination says that the Cleveland Clinic, Kroger, Wal-Mart, Amazon, three hospital systems in Cleveland, Cincinnati, and Columbus and OSU all employ more people. But ninth isn't bad. I don't have anything against Dayton (in fact, I enjoyed two nights of basketball there recently) but the metro area is down in population over the last two decades.

I suppose this is what’s more accurate:
“Wright-Patterson Air Force Base is considered the largest employer at a single location in the state, with 32,514 employees at the Dayton air force base”
https://www.cleveland.com/data/2022/...outputType=amp

I remember it being said about WPAFB being the largest employer in the state both times I’ve inprocessed here but perhaps this is what they were trying to convey.

Fair enough.

2027 is the target date for CMH’s new terminal

BTW, I lived in Dayton in the early to mid-90’s. There was a Delta city ticketing store in downtown Dayton. There used to be quite a few large companies in the area. NCR, Delphi WPAFB, Standard Register, etc. When I was flying out of DAY, we used to get a ton of CVG flyers driving up when CVG was a major hub an ticket prices at CVG were some of the most expensive in the country

Flew out of DAY a couple years ago to save money vs. DTW. I find the history of the airport pretty fascinating. The fact that it had both a TWA Ambassador's club and a Piedmont Presidential Suite (which became a USAir lounge) at one point is pretty mind-blowing -- https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1431093
I was thinking the current "business center" lounge might be in one of those old lounge locations. But it looks like they were in different parts of the airport.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...fa625ba13a.png

The change at CVG may hurt DAY more than anything. Thanks for the info on CMH.

Just a word of warning for those flying out of CVG -- the parking lot garage has been downsized due to all of the ongoing maintenance. Arrived earlier this week to find that the garage was full and blocked off by a truck. No notice on any signs leading to the airport. Since I usually only arrive about 45 minutes before my flight, I had the choice of parking in the economy lots and potentially missing my flight or paying extra to valet. Not a good look for CVG. DAY is so much easier.

Major pain in the fanny the last few months. It looks like they are re painting the parking lines a block at a time and it is shutting down large sections of the parking lot. Ive never seen to garage full and shut down, but I am usually on a 600 am ish flight out each week so its not too bad then. I judge by what level I park on. If I can find a close B level its a good day. If I can find a C level spotot not all the way at the far end, its a good day. If I have to go up to D something has gone terribly wrong :) Hope the re painting is done soon. They may also be putting sensors in the ground on each spot show if its open or occupied. Ive noticed little discs in each spot.

Thanks. This is the useful parts of FT.

That CVG short-term parking has always been amazing. it is always near capacity, regardless of season, day of the week, Delta hub status....whatever....it's busy.

I'm late to the party on this one, but I'm 95% sure it was to make room for BA which started flying LHR-CVG in June of 2023. I haven't checked a bag here in years but I seem to recall BA signage pointing to the left and I know for a fact that even during peek times I never saw more than 60% of the counters staffed so it makes sense.

It's been super annoying this summer. I know I sound like a whiny little itch saying this, but I've had to park all the way over by the DL hangar twice, the north end of the garage twice, and the old section once. First world problems I know, but when you're used to parking within 10-15 spots from the bridge, you understand where I'm coming from. LOL. :D

I haven't noticed the discs but that would be handy if they're making it a smart garage with signage telling you how many spots are down each aisle.