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Old May 14, 2019, 5:26 am
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Sabre Software & DL (not used by Delta)

Does DL use Sabre software like what seems like the rest of the industry or are they a one off who stays off that system?

With B6 having issues with Sabre this morning got me thinking. Also on a separate note Sabre must be horribly unreliable and unstable as this is not the first time their system has gone off line this year alone.
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Old May 14, 2019, 6:03 am
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No, Delta uses their own, proprietary system, Deltamatic. They license it to Virgin Atlantic as well.
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Old May 14, 2019, 6:33 am
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Originally Posted by jrkmsp
No, Delta uses their own, proprietary system, Deltamatic. They license it to Virgin Atlantic as well.
Thanks, that is an interesting fact to learn
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Old May 14, 2019, 7:56 am
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Originally Posted by vincentharris
Does DL use Sabre software like what seems like the rest of the industry or are they a one off who stays off that system?
Many, many airlines do not use Sabre. Some of the other big central reservation systems are Amadeus and Travelport's Apollo and Galileo.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comput...#Major_systems

Different systems is why you will often get two record locator numbers when you have a reservation with flights on two airlines using different systems (like a combined DL/AF itinerary). One for DL's system, and one for AF's system (Amadeus).
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Old May 14, 2019, 8:17 am
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It might also be worth noting that Sabre was a genericized and relaunched version of the proprietary software that AA developed for its own internal use. Apollo was born out of the United system. The aforementioned Amadeus was developed by Air France, Iberia, Lufthansa and SAS, though with the intention of it always being a neutral system, as was Galileo, which was developed by nine other European airlines. Sabre's history is perhaps most interesting, in that it was developed from the USAF's SAGE air defense system by IBM.
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Old May 14, 2019, 8:41 am
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"The rest of the industry" most certainly does not use Sabre. It is popular, but far from close to universal. Everything has its quirks and I would not read anything into occasional failures as occured to B6.
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Old May 14, 2019, 9:36 am
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The Chinese airlines also use their own domestically created GDS system called TravelSky.
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Old May 14, 2019, 2:41 pm
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Originally Posted by vincentharris
With B6 having issues with Sabre this morning got me thinking. Also on a separate note Sabre must be horribly unreliable and unstable as this is not the first time their system has gone off line this year alone.
Actually it was a Century Link failure that caused the outage. That's why other SABRE carriers were not affected.
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Old May 14, 2019, 10:34 pm
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Originally Posted by ijgordon
Many, many airlines do not use Sabre. Some of the other big central reservation systems are Amadeus and Travelport's Apollo and Galileo.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comput...#Major_systems
really? What airlines currently use a Travelport core as a PSS?
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Old May 15, 2019, 3:50 am
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Originally Posted by vincentharris
With B6 having issues with Sabre this morning got me thinking. Also on a separate note Sabre must be horribly unreliable and unstable as this is not the first time their system has gone off line this year alone.
Sabre isn't a system that an airline can simply buy and use. Sabre is a system where the airlines pay to license it, and then continue to pay for network administration, and software support. How well Sabre works for an airline may be proportional to how much they pay for support American Airlines also uses Sabre.
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Old May 15, 2019, 11:43 am
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Originally Posted by diburning
Sabre isn't a system that an airline can simply buy and use. Sabre is a system where the airlines pay to license it, and then continue to pay for network administration, and software support. How well Sabre works for an airline may be proportional to how much they pay for support American Airlines also uses Sabre.
So if you don't pay enough you are subject to outages?
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Old May 15, 2019, 12:07 pm
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Originally Posted by diburning
.........American Airlines also uses Sabre.
Sabre started life as an internal reservation system for AA. Both AA and Sabre were owned by AMR at one time. AMR later spun off Sabre as a separate company to better serve other airlines. AMR was renamed AA which, BTW, is a different company than American Airlines today.
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Old May 15, 2019, 12:10 pm
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Originally Posted by vincentharris
Does DL use Sabre software like what seems like the rest of the industry.....
The "rest of the industry" mostly don't use Sabre. Sabre market share is about 1/3 worldwide.
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Originally Posted by audio-nut
really? What airlines currently use a Travelport core as a PSS?
In addition to Apollo, Travelport also owns Worldspan, which was originally owned and used by Delta, Northwest, and TWA. Deltamatic is proprietary, but I believe is still uses Worldspan as its source.
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I want to say an OTA (Priceline maybe?) still uses Worldspan at least for rental cars.

Originally Posted by audio-nut
So if you don't pay enough you are subject to outages?
No, but if you don't pay enough, you'll be stuck with perpetually subpar IT

Originally Posted by TerryK
Sabre started life as an internal reservation system for AA. Both AA and Sabre were owned by AMR at one time. AMR later spun off Sabre as a separate company to better serve other airlines. AMR was renamed AA which, BTW, is a different company than American Airlines today.
If I remember correctly, today's American Airlines still uses Sabre.
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