DL Pricing
Aug 12, 2018, 1:31 pm
#16
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I'd venture a guess that very, very few of us have the high-performance computing power necessary to aggregate and analyze fare data for hundreds of thousands of origin/destination pairs on hundreds of days.
And back to OP's original statement, yes, I do find it annoying when my "preferred" carrier is so much more expensive on a non-stop route shared by a competitor. But I either wait for the price to fall (which it sometimes does), or I just book the other airline. Loyalty isn't worth it for 50-80% cost savings.
Aug 12, 2018, 4:38 pm
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Aug 12, 2018, 5:41 pm
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IME, I often see on most routes out of MCO DL match UA and AA regular MC fares as BE fares and charge $30-$45 more OW for MC on DL (These are on routes where none of the big 3 fly non-stop typically). I often even see this on higher fares like L and K fares, not just cheap U/T/X/V fares.
Aug 12, 2018, 6:09 pm
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I want to thank roughly 80% of the responses here, they are quite helpful, and give me a different perspective to look at.
If anyone has the proprietary info of multi billion dollar airlines about how they price their flights please forward it to me and I am happy to process the numbers.
I am pretty smart though so if I had all the info I wouldnt be asking here and would be figuring it out for myself, contrary to some peoples belief I am not.... :P
If anyone has the proprietary info of multi billion dollar airlines about how they price their flights please forward it to me and I am happy to process the numbers.
I am pretty smart though so if I had all the info I wouldnt be asking here and would be figuring it out for myself, contrary to some peoples belief I am not.... :P
Aug 12, 2018, 6:10 pm
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FlyerTalk is so predictable sometimes. Instead of offering the OP some helpful thoughts, way too many people are quick to criticize how he hasn't processed prices for thousands of routes yet, so he needs to just shut up and leave.
Where's the humanity y'all? Not everyone here is an expert flyer and it doesn't help to just criticize what you might consider a dumb question.
#HelpNotHate
Where's the humanity y'all? Not everyone here is an expert flyer and it doesn't help to just criticize what you might consider a dumb question.
#HelpNotHate
Aug 12, 2018, 7:23 pm
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I want to thank roughly 80% of the responses here, they are quite helpful, and give me a different perspective to look at.
If anyone has the proprietary info of multi billion dollar airlines about how they price their flights please forward it to me and I am happy to process the numbers.
I am pretty smart though so if I had all the info I wouldnt be asking here and would be figuring it out for myself, contrary to some peoples belief I am not.... :P
If anyone has the proprietary info of multi billion dollar airlines about how they price their flights please forward it to me and I am happy to process the numbers.
I am pretty smart though so if I had all the info I wouldnt be asking here and would be figuring it out for myself, contrary to some peoples belief I am not.... :P
Finally, there's more to revenue pricing than scheduled travel time. On time flights, corporate conteacts, IRROP recovery, etc all play into what Delta prices.
Aug 13, 2018, 3:36 am
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FlyerTalk is so predictable sometimes. Instead of offering the OP some helpful thoughts, way too many people are quick to criticize how he hasn't processed prices for thousands of routes yet, so he needs to just shut up and leave.
Where's the humanity y'all? Not everyone here is an expert flyer and it doesn't help to just criticize what you might consider a dumb question.
#HelpNotHate
Where's the humanity y'all? Not everyone here is an expert flyer and it doesn't help to just criticize what you might consider a dumb question.
#HelpNotHate
I'm showing up a day late and a dollar short, but have to say I found most of the posts between OP and yours pretty informative. RM sounds like a very complicated system but I got some good insights here. I never thought about wanting to keep traffic into a hub available for international connections, for example.
Aug 13, 2018, 9:54 am
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The better operating statistics probably don't hurt though.
Aug 13, 2018, 9:57 am
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Most analysts believe that Delta's revenue premium is primarily a consequence of the structure of Delta's route network and less with their better operating statistics. On average, Delta faces less competition in their routes leading to more pricing power.
The better operating statistics probably don't hurt though.
The better operating statistics probably don't hurt though.
Aug 13, 2018, 6:31 pm
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Aug 13, 2018, 6:45 pm
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OP specifically said markets where DL competes with other legacies on. The reality is that ATL is unique in DL's structure and the other hubs don't have near the level of dominance in markets where it competes with other legacies. Out of DTW, I find DL fares to be generally in-line with AA/UA fares on non-stop routes where they compete. ATL is certainly DL's largest hub, but it's not DL's only hub. So let's not overgeneralize to DL's other hubs.
Aug 14, 2018, 7:44 am
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Most analysts believe that Delta's revenue premium is primarily a consequence of the structure of Delta's route network and less with their better operating statistics. On average, Delta faces less competition in their routes leading to more pricing power.
The better operating statistics probably don't hurt though.
The better operating statistics probably don't hurt though.
Aug 14, 2018, 8:39 am
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It's still a ton of data and would would require significant work to determine one-off anecdotes vs. normal pricing.
https://www.bts.gov/