1) if that is true, then Airbus doesn't care. You can figure out what airlines are roughly paying for airplanes from SEC reports. For the most part Delta/American's 737 and A32S orders have been pretty much on par as far as discounts go. Generally 45%-50% off list.

2) Lets pretend Boeing's management is that stupid and petty, do you know how you don't keep your job as a sales person very long? The things you propose Boeing does is a great step.

simple fact is, if Delta wanted to go with the larger size 757 seat range plane, the A321NEO is the best option on the market. If they wanted to go in the 160 seat range then the 737-8MAX is the best plane on the market.

If they did order the 321NEO I suspect Boeing and CFM weren't able to get the numbers down to compensate for the better performance of the 321NEO with the GTF.
No he didn't. If people have been paying attention to other legislation Trump and congress are going to take steps leveling the playing field but in a way that doesn't have the publicity.

(hint, Tax bill)
the 739 at Delta is a pitch issue.

Plus people compare it to the 757. The 321 and 739 both suck when compared to the old 24F configured 752.
but but but but but Delta isn't using the 75S on a few low yielding routes like KEF this summer!!! :p
No it wont. To say something like shows you have little understanding what Delta is doing with its fleet.
Also to say the A321NEO is going to replace brand new 737s is incredibly laughable.
questionable at best.
when Delta orders an Airbus readywhenyouare gets so upset about it he/she stops making any sense.
want to place a bet?
You understand wrong. The ordered the MAX, then ordered more 737NGs, then converted that 737NG order to MAXs. On top of that they have also ordered a ton of 787s and 777s.

Delta, American and United are simply too large to go to a single OEM. All three current own airplanes from all four OEMs. Highly unlikely to change.
highly unlikely Delta would be modifying the current Airbus fleet to add 18in seats, plus taking new current engine 321s with 18 in seats, only to turn around and take the 321NEO with a different sized seat.
even Alabama assembled 32S don't bring the jobs the 737 does to the US. Basically everything for the Airbus is shipped in from around the world and assembled in Alabama. The majority of the 737 is made in the US.

Not that any of that should have a single thing to do with what aircraft Delta orders.
no they didn't.
They said they don't comment on industry speculation. Jon Ostrower is the one reporting from CNN, he is very rarely, if ever, wrong.
Yep, Boeing is totally forcing that configuration on American. I heard if Delta ordered the MAX they would have to go with 22in pitch. :rolleyes:

Airlines pick the configuration, not the OEM.
Just looking at this order from purely a Delta TechOps MRO Services side, MAX and LEAP order would have been better. Most of the big MRO airlines have most aircraft and engines (even at times things like APUs, LRUs etc. etc. ) in their fleets. TechOps has one of the most respected CFM shops in the world and has been doing CFM56 work ever since the DC8 days. The chance of them not also working the LEAP are basically none. On top of that, Delta's current narrowbody fleet currently has the BR715, PW2000, JT8D-219s, CFM56-5A, CFM56-5B, CFM56-7B and the V2500-D5 engine current plus the PW10000G on order...... the chances of an airline with 7 (+1) engines is magically going to go down to a single engine type is also none.

The important thing here is that Delta has a huge narrow body fleet and this order, only 100 frames, is just the very tip of the iceberg. Delta will end up operating the 737MAX and the A32SNEO.
Airbus offered a better deal this time around. Pretty simple.
not necessarily true. Unless you know the exact details of the 787 agreement with Northwest, then Delta later on, that can't be said.

At times it is better to cancel an order then put our a RFP for new airplanes.
If you were Boeing (or Delta) the company wouldn't last .000000006 seconds.

The 787(both 9 and 10) was offered by Boeing on the last RFP for the widebody order. Boeing couldn't compete on price or delivery slots. On top of that Rolls Royce offered Delta/Delta TechOps a deal that couldn't be turned down. No A350 order, No Trent 1000, Trent 7000 and Trent XWB Roll Royce approved maintenance center. The first AMC from Rolls that isn't owned in anyway by Rolls Royce. Boeing and General Electric had absolutely nothing they could offer that was comparable.

I'm not upset at all. I absolutely expected this order.

I think having over 200 A321's is a bit much though. There will be a huge gap in between the CS100/300 and the A321. I just find it interesting that Delta thinks they know better than AA and IlUA. Both AA and UA wanted the 737-8max and both wanted the 787. Having the A330 as your smallest widebody is a bad strategy. Just look at AF, KLM, BA, VS, etc. They had to turn their American partners with 767 and 757 aircraft to operate some of their smaller markets as their own equipment was too big. The question is if Delta is willing to cede these smaller markets to United who is currently mopping the floor with AA and DL when it comes to new international markets. The 787 is the perfect aircraft for new and thin markets. The A330 is only good for hub traffic. It's just way too big for any moderate city.

Nationalism has nothing to do with it for me. My car is German and most things I use every day are from some other country. Every nation has an industry that is best. I think BMW makes the best cars and I think Boeing builds the best airplanes. Boeing has been around much longer than Airbus and has had to compete with market forces from the very beginning. They stood to fail many times but ultimately survived. Airbus was born with subsidies in hand.

You are acting like Delta is going to replace all of its 160 seaters tomorrow.
A lot of this order will be some 757 199 seat replacements, some A320 replacements and some growth.


As for the 787, I have told you 100 times...... Delta is going to end up operating the 787. Matter of fact I'd bet it has them at least on order by 2025, if not in operation.


PS rumor mills says CFM lost this order, not Boeing.

I suspect DL did get a proposal from Boeing. I also wouldn't be surprised if DL went with Airbus even at a small premium to box Boeing on the ears...but I don't necessarily see DL becoming Airbus-captive just yet (though I could see it as a trend). It's one thing if you're only operating a single aircraft/aircraft family (VX and WN come to mind on this front), but I don't think that sort of advantage scales for an entire company. Still, a hard slap-down against Boeing was probably in order after the CS-100 incident.

You don't know what you are talking about. What happened nearly 50 years ago with the RB211 has absolutely nothing to do with the current Trents. Triple spools are not "unnecessarily complex". For a person educated on them they are quite simple to understand and have benefits over the twin spools of GE/PW. The Trent XWB is also nothing short of a technological marvel and might be the best motor on the market, period. The GE90, for example has stupid high cost, stupid high maintenance costs, and stupid high overhaul costs. On wing/TBO times are not that great either.

The PW1100G, when working correctly, is the best motor for the A321NEO. Most of the issues have been worked out it is just about finding shop time to fix the current on wing engines as well as Pratts supply chain trying to ramp up production faster than planned. The GTF is the way of the future. Rolls is already trying to move that way with the UltraFan and GE/CFM will move that way with the next narrow body engine. Like the 787, the first to the game generally has some teething issue.

Technik isn't "spun off". It is a subsidiary of Lufthansa Group. Like Delta and Air France/KLM, Lufthansa are smart enough to know that the revenue from the MRO work is a big deal. TechOps makes around $750M to $1B in revenue, in what world does it make sense to give that money away? Also a multi-million if not billion engine contract is not silly at all.

...says the person who has 78% of the posts in this thread

So, who's going to pay close attention to Investor Day materials today?

A live webcast of this event will be available at Delta Air Lines, Inc. - News & Events - Events Calendar

It starts at 8:30AM Eastern Time.

Official press release

Delta selects Airbus A321neo for narrowbody fleet renewal | Delta News Hub

deliveries to start in 2020. configured for 20F, 30Y+ and 147Y

Define a few years. In five years DL will probably still have active 717's, 737's, 767's, and 777's (and possibly 757's too). They are still taking delivery of 739's until 2019. Those are going to be there a loooooooooooong time.

I wonder where the space for the five extra seats comes from?

The announcement is as much about TechOps becoming the MRO for the GTF as well as the A321 NEO order.