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flyerCO Sep 4, 2017 2:24 am


Originally Posted by jdrtravel (Post 28773573)
DL choose to turn these seats into a different product; they certainly took this factor into account when they did this.

No they made it a separate fare class. DL still considers C+ to be main cabin, albeit with a different experience. DL has been clear that C+ is not a separate cabin, but rather separate fare class.

Widgets is where i first heard this from, and I've confirmed with DL. Also if you search some of the disability flight support groups you'll see this tidbit brought up from time to time. DL specifically made sure to not call this PE.

nystateofmind Sep 4, 2017 4:41 am

You will want 1B as the bulkhead doesn't extend all the way to the aisle. With the curvature of sidewall and bulkhead, I find 1A and 1D especially cramped

MSP_Monopoly Sep 4, 2017 5:29 am


Originally Posted by nystateofmind (Post 28774036)
You will want 1B as the bulkhead doesn't extend all the way to the aisle. With the curvature of sidewall and bulkhead, I find 1A and 1D especially cramped

Thanks for the tip! Unfortunately row 1 is completely full. I will set an EF alert.

MSPeconomist Sep 4, 2017 5:31 am


Originally Posted by nystateofmind (Post 28774036)
You will want 1B as the bulkhead doesn't extend all the way to the aisle. With the curvature of sidewall and bulkhead, I find 1A and 1D especially cramped

The problem with 1B is that the service dog would not have a bull bulkhead wall to protect it from being accidentally stepped on or even having a cart rolled over the tip of a leg or tail. For this reason 1A or 1D is a more suitable seat.

flyerCO Sep 4, 2017 7:05 am


Originally Posted by MSPeconomist (Post 28774122)
The problem with 1B is that the service dog would not have a bull bulkhead wall to protect it from being accidentally stepped on or even having a cart rolled over the tip of a leg or tail. For this reason 1A or 1D is a more suitable seat.

Is possible to be considered an impediment to the exit also by an FA if in 1B.

ekozie Sep 4, 2017 7:14 am


Originally Posted by MSP_Monopoly (Post 28773233)
I purchased the Delta Comfort ticket so that I could secure the row immediately behind F on the CR7 because it has more room because there is no wall between the cabins.

The bulkhead legroom/space on the CR200 has just as much space so I'm happy with this.

Surprised that no one else has jumped on how untrue this is.

If you're walking onto a CR2 expecting first-row C+ space like the CR7 or 9, you're in for a rude awakening.

Far, far less space.

chetdogleash Sep 4, 2017 9:29 am


Originally Posted by ekozie (Post 28774405)
Surprised that no one else has jumped on how untrue this is.

If you're walking onto a CR2 expecting first-row C+ space like the CR7 or 9, you're in for a rude awakening.

Far, far less space.

Absolutely agree. CR2 is always my first/last leg and I almost never fly in Row 1. It is not even close to the same amount of space.

OP: The only way this will work out for you and your service animal is if it doesn't mind being used as a footrest.

Widgets Sep 4, 2017 9:33 am


Originally Posted by MSP_Monopoly (Post 28774116)
Thanks for the tip! Unfortunately row 1 is completely full. I will set an EF alert.

You could call Delta and if 1B better accommodates you with your service animal, Delta has to swap seats for you unless someone similar is already in 1B.

While traveling with a service animal, airlines are required to accommodate you anywhere in the same cabin. Main and Comfort+ are considered the same cabin, so technically you don't ever need to pay for Comfort+ to guarantee a bulkhead Comfort+ seat with your service animal. Some say this is cheating, but if you're only paying for C+ because of your animal, then that's not fair.

MCO Flyer Sep 4, 2017 9:35 am


Originally Posted by MSP_Monopoly (Post 28774116)
Thanks for the tip! Unfortunately row 1 is completely full. I will set an EF alert.

Row 1 isn't full. DL blocks seats 1C/D until the gate for passengers with disabilities or service animals. The only seats that will ever show as open on the seat map are 1A/1B.

flyerCO Sep 4, 2017 9:38 am


Originally Posted by Widgets (Post 28774883)
You could call Delta and if 1B better accommodates you with your service animal, Delta has to swap seats for you unless someone similar is already in 1B.

However MSP and I have concerns. Her about dog being vulnerable to being hurt, me about FA saying dog protrudes into the exit.

turkeyRIOO Sep 4, 2017 10:32 am


Originally Posted by flyerCO (Post 28773491)
C+ is NOT being sold as PE. Goigle Flights, ITAMatrix, and a few others some times mislabel it as PE. This is due to W being PE on all OAL. However it is NOT PE. DL PE (called PS) is only sold on A350 and eventually 777 aircraft.

C+ has been and continues to be a main cabin experience, albeit with slightly better room and a free drink.

amex sells C+ as PE.

chuck1 Sep 4, 2017 12:05 pm

Slightly OT but I'm of the opinion that when DL introduced a separate fare code (W), they designated this as a separate cabin/class-of-service.

Navig8R Sep 4, 2017 1:21 pm


Originally Posted by MSP_Monopoly (Post 28773233)
I purchased the Delta Comfort ticket so that I could secure the row immediately behind F on the CR7 because it has more room because there is no wall between the cabins.

The bulkhead legroom/space on the CR200 has just as much space so I'm happy with this.

I've never heard someone be ok with a downgrade to a CRJ-200. To each their own.

That being said, while the physical floor space might be the same between the first row of C+ in a CRJ-700 vs -200 (I don't know the answer to this), but with only a curtain separating C+ from first on the -700, you have the ability to stretch your legs (not the case in the -200). This in conjunction with a larger cabin, I would be very unhappy being downgraded in your particular situation.

flyerCO Sep 4, 2017 2:15 pm


Originally Posted by turkeyRIOO (Post 28775091)
amex sells C+ as PE.

No they don't. The system simply sees the W fare class and misinterperts this, thus labeling as PE. Pointed this out earlier in thread and been discussed ad nauseam here on FT.

Widgets Sep 4, 2017 2:42 pm


Originally Posted by chuck1 (Post 28775384)
Slightly OT but I'm of the opinion that when DL introduced a separate fare code (W), they designated this as a separate cabin/class-of-service.

The DOT considers Main Cabin and Comfort+ to be the same cabin for disability seating needs.


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