Originally Posted by TrojanTraveler
(Post 26552406)
If true then this is getting more confusing and opaque.
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Originally Posted by securesmaskfirst
(Post 26550838)
New upgrade order rumor on Points miles and martinis... any ideas if this is true?
Full Y fares on May 1 no longer trumps medallion status... http://pointsmilesandmartinis.boardi...572.1403225619 |
The obvious answer to me for a few years has been DL should be prioritizing upgrades simply by elite level then MQD for a given segment. (This is not a change I would particularly benefit from, so it is not a self-serving suggestion).
Originally Posted by vgb2001
(Post 26547763)
I've known some companies that require employees to book a fully refundable / flexible ticket.
Originally Posted by cestmoi123
(Post 26548553)
Buying Y by default? That's got to be massively expensive! Given the spread between Y and cheapest non-refundable, you'd have to have the large majority of your trips changing or being cancelled between booking and travel for that to pay off...
Originally Posted by DLMiddleSeats
(Post 26548904)
When I worked in Corporate Travel Agency Support it was not uncommon for me to see tickets that had been exchanged 3-4 times. The most I ever saw was 12(but that was a full F ticket)
You can try this on Delta.com, pick a route, search for the cheapest ticket, then go to Advanced Search and click "Refundable Flights Only" and chances are the refundable ticket will be a fare class less than Y. |
I don't know why they don't just cut to the chase and prioritize by elite level then MQD for the segment and be done with it. You could throw in tie-breakers based on corporate travel partners, Reserve, etc.
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Originally Posted by Ledfish
(Post 26552511)
Nothing official from Delta on this, just rumor and speculation at this point.
http://www.delta.com/content/www/en_...-upgrades.html |
I wonder if the reason they are going to use the 25k in spending as a tie breaker indicates something more sinister in the future.... like your amex now doesn't earn you MQMs but rather a tie breaker in upgrade priority...
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Originally Posted by Beckles
(Post 26552562)
The obvious answer to me for a few years has been DL should be prioritizing upgrades simply by elite level then MQD for a given segment.
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Originally Posted by davisew
(Post 26552635)
The rumor and speculation appears to be accurate:
http://www.delta.com/content/www/en_...-upgrades.html As a PM this seems like a positive change, the only negative to me is the prioritization of Corporate Travel Partners, but being a Reserve card holder I'm not sure that affects me. This is somewhat speculative, but I bet the order of those preferences matter, so Reserve > Corporate Travel Partner > $25k credit card spend > date and time of request. |
Originally Posted by LonghaulCommuter
(Post 26551370)
Currently, Y is a way to get first class at a discount, even if you're not a Delta FF.
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Originally Posted by iflyalexair
(Post 26552659)
I wonder if the reason they are going to use the 25k in spending as a tie breaker indicates something more sinister in the future.... like your amex now doesn't earn you MQMs but rather a tie breaker in upgrade priority...
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Originally Posted by ruckzac
(Post 26552705)
I don't think that's the right answer for a number of reasons:
Originally Posted by ruckzac
(Post 26552705)
In my opinion the existing system is fatally flawed by the simple fact that higher fare class does not directly relate to a higher price paid, you can have someone on a flight on a K fare who paid less than another passenger on a T fare. |
Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
(Post 26551286)
How can you pool across different people or even use multiple credits for a single flight?
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Originally Posted by rylan
(Post 26552798)
I doubt that, as it would be another significant reduction in benefits of the Amex card. A 4th order level tiebreak is not much of a benefit.
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There has been quite a bit of antidotal evidence that corporate contracts have increased upgrade likelihood for some time. I don't think this is new, I just think it is finally a published part of the program.
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Originally Posted by LonghaulCommuter
(Post 26551370)
Everyone seems shocked that Y, by itself, is no longer at the top of the heap because it doesn't make business sense. On the contrary, this change incentivizes more frequent business flights on Delta or for companies to spring for 1st class if not. Currently, Y is a way to get first class at a discount, even if you're not a Delta FF. Delta is #1 in monetizing everything. I'm sure they figured out that this will help their bottom line.
On top of that, as mentioned above, you can usually find FC for cheaper than what a Full Y fare would cost.
Originally Posted by Pack1620
(Post 26552277)
As a gov't traveler I had that happen once in 3 years as a silver flyer. Every other time it was considered a Y ticket. I will say every ticket we used to fly was Y but the last couple of years we have started to see a lot of other fares.
And if there's no GSA city-pair then it books random fare codes. I've seen everything from X to Q on DL when booking with the alternate options tab through DTS.
Originally Posted by DLMiddleSeats
(Post 26547764)
With no inside info as to why the changes I being made my speculation is it has to do with a couple of things
1) Government fares YCA, cheap and that would cause an FO to jump a DM. 2) Shuttle Fares have a lot of insane discounts for some corporations in Y fares 3)trying to give a little something back to DM 4) There are some Shena that some travel agencies do to get upgrades for people that shouldn't have them...I will not go into more detail but I have seen it. |
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