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Readynow Jul 11, 2014 7:40 pm

Is this ticket refundable?
 
I bought a First Class ticket A class and used a companion certificate. I can no longer make the trip. I can't find anywhere whether this ticket is refundable. I know I lose the companion cert but I am thinking that any A fare is refundable. Unless the answer is buried in code - I can't find a definitive answer. Would like to know what the rules are before I call. It says it is refundable if purchased at a fully refundable fare. How do I determine that?

Flight Information
Date and Flight Status Class Meals/Others Seat/Cabin
GSO ► ATL THU 04SEP2014 DL 1569
OPEN A 04C
ATL ► SLC THU 04SEP2014 DL 1333
OPEN A D 03A
SLC ► RNO THU 04SEP2014 DL 1399
OPEN A 03C
RNO ► SLC SUN 07SEP2014 DL 1336
OPEN A 03C
SLC ► ATL SUN 07SEP2014 DL 1912
OPEN A L 06C
ATL ► GSO SUN 07SEP2014 DL 2420
OPEN A 03C
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Billing and Ticketing Information for Xxxxxxxxx
FARE DETAILS: GSO DL X/ATL DL X/SLC DL RNO457.67LA07A0NQ/WNUP DL X/SLC DL X/ATL DL GSO533.95QA14AXNQ/WNUP 4S80.00 USD1071.62END ZP GSOATLSLCRNOSLCATL XF GSO4.5ATL4.5SLC4.5ATL4.5
Fare: 1,071.62 USD
Taxes/Carrier-Imposed Fees: 132.38
Total for Name: 1,204.00 USD
Paid with American Express
Detailed Tax Information
AY 10.00
US 80.38
XF 18.00
ZP 24.00
Total: 132.38


Total
Fare: 1,071.62 USD
Taxes/Carrier-Imposed Fees: 184.38
Total: 1,256.00 USD

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CDKing Jul 11, 2014 8:04 pm

Doesnt appear to be refundable looking at NON-REFUNDABLE / CHANGE FEE

Many of these Coach to First instant upgrade fares have change fees.

I cannot seem to find the full fare rules on EF and not sure why

GSO-RNO has the following fare basis

Outbound: LA07A0NQ/WNUP

Return: QA14AXNQ/WNUP

kettle1 Jul 11, 2014 8:15 pm

Call DL and find out. If not call again.

lamont2718 Jul 11, 2014 10:25 pm

$200 change fee. I don't think I have ever seen a refundable A fare and would be very surprised to see one on any route.

javabytes Jul 12, 2014 12:22 am


Originally Posted by lamont2718 (Post 23183667)
$200 change fee. I don't think I have ever seen a refundable A fare and would be very surprised to see one on any route.

Sure there are. HA07UPRA for ORD-MSP, for instance.

Code:

69 CHIMSP 12JUL14 DL USD  333.00 HA07UPRA STAY---/-- BK-H  @ 
FARE CLS  EXPLANATION                            BOOK CODES   
--------  ----------------------                ----------   
HA07UPRA  ECONOMY UNRESTRICTED FARES                H/A/I     
HA07UPRA  APPLIES FOR ONE WAY FARES


RULE APPLICATION AND OTHER CONDITIONS NOTE - THE FOLLOWING TEXT IS INFORMATIONAL AND NOT
VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
EXCURSION FARES
APPLICATION
CLASS OF SERVICE
THESE FARES APPLY FOR FIRST/COACH CLASS SERVICE.
CAPACITY LIMITATIONS
SEATS ARE LIMITED.

...

PENALTIES NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
-CHANGES ARE PERMITTED ANYTIME
-ALL TKTS MUST BE REISSUED
-CHANGES RESULTING IN A HIGHER FARE MUST BE ADD
COLLECTED AT THE TIME OF REISSUE
-IF THE CHANGE RESULTS IN A LOWER FARE THE
DIFFERENCE MAY BE REFUNDED TO THE ORIGINAL FORM
OF PAYMENT WITHOUT A CHANGE FEE

It's even more common with B, M, S, and H-UP fares that book into P class.

javabytes Jul 12, 2014 12:25 am


Originally Posted by CDKing (Post 23183200)
Doesnt appear to be refundable looking at NON-REFUNDABLE / CHANGE FEE

Many of these Coach to First instant upgrade fares have change fees.

I cannot seem to find the full fare rules on EF and not sure why

Need to know the date OP purchased the ticket to pull up the historic fares in ExpertFlyer. You're right, though, that NON-REFUNDABLE / CHANGE FEE probably tells OP everything he needs to know. Unless you don't trust DL IT to get things like that right.

lamont2718 Jul 12, 2014 12:44 am


Originally Posted by javabytes (Post 23183914)
Sure there are. HA07UPRA for ORD-MSP, for instance.

Code:

69 CHIMSP 12JUL14 DL USD  333.00 HA07UPRA STAY---/-- BK-H  @ 
FARE CLS  EXPLANATION                            BOOK CODES   
--------  ----------------------                ----------   
HA07UPRA  ECONOMY UNRESTRICTED FARES                H/A/I     
HA07UPRA  APPLIES FOR ONE WAY FARES



It's even more common with B, M, S, and H-UP fares that book into P class.

I stand corrected!

MSPeconomist Jul 12, 2014 12:49 am

OP seems to have a L-UP fare. I suspect it's not refundable but will result in a DL credit when cancelled, so that it can be changed for a $200 fee but cannot be turned in for cash or a credit to the original means of payment.

CDKing Jul 12, 2014 10:49 am


Originally Posted by javabytes (Post 23183920)
Need to know the date OP purchased the ticket to pull up the historic fares in ExpertFlyer. You're right, though, that NON-REFUNDABLE / CHANGE FEE probably tells OP everything he needs to know. Unless you don't trust DL IT to get things like that right.

I tried 20 different ticketing dates in ef going back to July 13 many of the same fares were there just with different start and end dates. always so close but one or two digits off in the last 4. I peeked at most of them and all had change fee

Readynow Jul 12, 2014 11:05 pm


Originally Posted by CDKing (Post 23184743)
I tried 20 different ticketing dates in ef going back to July 13 many of the same fares were there just with different start and end dates. always so close but one or two digits off in the last 4. I peeked at most of them and all had change fee

Bought ticket April 4th 2014.....DL says I am out $200. Still not sure about the taxes on the companion fare .....will try again tommorow....

Readynow Jul 16, 2014 3:06 pm

I submitted a refund request online. When I pressed the cnx button it offered a request refund button.

After 5 days I got an email which refunded me 100% to my credit card! Yeah!

Another case of never accept your first second or third answer

Kwaj boy Jul 16, 2014 3:33 pm

DL just changed dates for me on an ANC/HSV A class fare for just the change in fare (no change fee).

lamont2718 Jul 16, 2014 4:42 pm


Originally Posted by Readynow (Post 23207535)
I submitted a refund request online. When I pressed the cnx button it offered a request refund button.

After 5 days I got an email which refunded me 100% to my credit card! Yeah!

Another case of never accept your first second or third answer

Congrats to OP, though I am shocked. I was able to find the exact fare rules on EF by using 4/4/2014 as the ticketing date -- both of the fares (LA07A0NQ/WNUP and QA14AXNQ/WNUP) show nonrefundable with a $200 change fee.

Readynow Jul 16, 2014 5:36 pm


Originally Posted by lamont2718 (Post 23208175)
Congrats to OP, though I am shocked. I was able to find the exact fare rules on EF by using 4/4/2014 as the ticketing date -- both of the fares (LA07A0NQ/WNUP and QA14AXNQ/WNUP) show nonrefundable with a $200 change fee.

There was a change in schedule - minor - plus I mentioned I changed due to cross country move required for job.. Don't know if those played any role...

Bottom line. Never hurts to ask....and ask nice!

CDKing Jul 16, 2014 8:49 pm

You got lucky.


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