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javabytes Jun 17, 2014 1:07 am


Originally Posted by grahampros (Post 23046620)
Incorrect. I just pulled up the flight in question in Sabre and there is no even full Y inventory or F available connecting over ATL on Jan 3 2015 for PVR. The only option open for the O&D over ATL for the date involves an over night in ATL arriving in BOS on the 4th ( and 19 hour journey time) That could change as we get closer but for now the inventory is simply closed on the routing for the day. You cannot get to NYC or DC on that ATL segment either but you could get to Chicago or $1200+. DL is not showing it because their is no inventory open for the routing.

DL 398 connecting to DL 2300. Depart 2:28 PM, 2h50m connection in ATL, and arriving at 12:25 AM on the 4th. Broken fare, class is Y/U. Go to DL.com and search for a one way, you'll find it. But then try to work those same flights into the return of a round trip, and you won't find them anymore.

bennos Jun 17, 2014 5:12 am


Originally Posted by javabytes (Post 23046962)
DL 398 connecting to DL 2300. Depart 2:28 PM, 2h50m connection in ATL, and arriving at 12:25 AM on the 4th. Broken fare, class is Y/U. Go to DL.com and search for a one way, you'll find it. But then try to work those same flights into the return of a round trip, and you won't find them anymore.

Sounds like the return flight doesn't meet the fare rules of the outbound segment when attempting to connect them for a round trip (really an open jaw) fare. Especially if it's really a broken fare when booked as a one way.

MSPeconomist Jun 17, 2014 6:05 am


Originally Posted by bennos (Post 23047489)
Sounds like the return flight doesn't meet the fare rules of the outbound segment when attempting to connect them for a round trip (really an open jaw) fare. Especially if it's really a broken fare when booked as a one way.

Maybe, but even so, shouldn't it still be possible to take the desired flights in the return direction using the broken fare and combine them with a one way fare on the outbound, packaging them into a separate ticket that doesn't use a RT fare? This might not be cheap, but it should still be possible.

rylan Jun 17, 2014 6:26 am

Yeah the return is showing 0s across the board if using a single fare component. Only way to book that is to break it, which I'd assume will also cause a problem with the open jaw, since that might in effect create two open jaws?

You'd have BOS-MEX as one endpoint, then the open jaw stating from PVR-ATL as another (1-way) fare component, and then ATL-BOS as the final (1-way) component. Its probably looking at it as BOS-MEX : PVR-ATL and the website is choking there before continuing on.

Dieuwer Jun 17, 2014 6:38 am


Originally Posted by rylan (Post 23047724)
Yeah the return is showing 0s across the board if using a single fare component. Only way to book that is to break it, which I'd assume will also cause a problem with the open jaw, since that might in effect create two open jaws?

You'd have BOS-MEX as one endpoint, then the open jaw stating from PVR-ATL as another (1-way) fare component, and then ATL-BOS as the final (1-way) component. Its probably looking at it as BOS-MEX : PVR-ATL and the website is choking there before continuing on.

So the problem really resides in the fare rules. Not in the inventory.

Dieuwer Jun 17, 2014 7:35 pm

Flight rules seem to have been updated. Flight now showing in roundtrips.
Considering the high demand for the PVR-ATL flight, I wonder if Delta would consider up-gauging the equipment.

rylan Jun 18, 2014 5:56 am

Looking at the seatmap, PVT-ATL is full up front and pretty full in back. ATL-BOS only has 1 unassigned up front and pretty open in back.

bennos Jun 18, 2014 6:30 am


Originally Posted by MSPeconomist (Post 23047643)
Maybe, but even so, shouldn't it still be possible to take the desired flights in the return direction using the broken fare and combine them with a one way fare on the outbound, packaging them into a separate ticket that doesn't use a RT fare? This might not be cheap, but it should still be possible.

I don't think DL.com will do this if you search by price (lowest available). You might be able to get it to work by searching by schedule or by fare class as multi-segment.

Dieuwer Jun 18, 2014 6:30 am


Originally Posted by rylan (Post 23053697)
Looking at the seatmap, PVT-ATL is full up front and pretty full in back. ATL-BOS only has 1 unassigned up front and pretty open in back.

That's what I find so strange. How can Delta let the plane sell out 6 months in advance??
Either they set the airfare too low and people snapped up seats like mad, or perhaps the seatmap indicates that Delta sold large blocks of seats to vacation providers that have not yet been resold but are not available to delta.com either.

MSPeconomist Jun 18, 2014 6:37 am


Originally Posted by bennos (Post 23053815)
I don't think DL.com will do this if you search by price (lowest available). You might be able to get it to work by searching by schedule or by fare class as multi-segment.

IMO the only reason to search by price is to see prices as you go. Frustratingly, it tends not to show you all of the possibilities for your trip. For anything sophisticated, I do multicity search by fare class and then either call or try to put everything together using search by schedule/multicity.

Dieuwer Jun 18, 2014 6:48 am


Originally Posted by TheMoose (Post 23046128)
Luckily you are offered three viable one-stop options (two via MSP, one via DTW). This is the benefit of operating multiple hubs, each with service to redundant destinations.

Viable?
A on-stop via MSP has a 1:17 h layover. Is that enough to make an international-to-domestic transfer?
The other two one-stop options (one via MSP and one via DTW) have me spend the night at the airport :rolleyes:
What stupid schedule is that?

MSPeconomist Jun 18, 2014 6:50 am


Originally Posted by dieuwer2 (Post 23053903)
Viable?
A on-stop via MSP has a 1:17 h layover. Is that enough to make an international-to-domestic transfer?
The other two one-stop options (one via MSP and one via DTW) have me spend the night at the airport :rolleyes:
What stupid schedule is that?

Not if you do customs and immigration at MSP. For preclearance routes, it works.

Dieuwer Jun 18, 2014 6:55 am


Originally Posted by MSPeconomist (Post 23053915)
Not if you do customs and immigration at MSP. For preclearance routes, it works.

I don't have GlobalEntry or TSA Precheck.

MSPeconomist Jun 18, 2014 7:06 am


Originally Posted by dieuwer2 (Post 23053934)
I don't have GlobalEntry or TSA Precheck.

Not precheck but pre clearance, as is done on the Canada transborder flights and most flights from Ireland. You do USA immigration and customs before boarding the plane to the USA. I hate it as you must get to the airport early because the lines can be bad and then after you've cleared, you're trapped in a horrible holding pen area.

For the last flight of the day after doing immigration and customs at MSP, without GE or PreCheck. I would personally want two hours to be comfortable, especially as the OP is traveling during the busy holiday season (with kettles to slow down the lines) and seats on later flights are likely to be rare if rebooking is needed.

Dieuwer Jun 18, 2014 7:07 am


Originally Posted by MSPeconomist (Post 23053985)
Not precheck but pre clearance, as is done on the Canada transborder flights and most flights from Ireland. You do USA immigration and customs before boarding the plane to the USA. I hate it as you must get to the airport early because the lines can be bad and then after you've cleared, you're trapped in a horrible holding pen area.

Sorry, but this trip is supposed to be a vacation. I am NOT going to subject myself to one ordeal after the other just because the airlines cannot get their (scheduling) act together.


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