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Originally Posted by Builderman
(Post 20093119)
I agree with most of what you've said in this thread, but you're really overestimating how difficult it is to come in below 10 cpMQM if you're flying certain markets. I can buy a one-way H fare SJC-MSP-BOS ticket to fly tomorrow for 10.3 cpMQM (excluding taxes, which don't count towards MQD). And that's a last minute purchase! With a week's advance purchase that same route is only 6.6 cpMQM.
If you're doing primarily intl or transcon flights in Y with even a bit of advance notice, it's very easy to come in below 10 cpMQM ex-Bay Area. No need to be a gamer.
IME, $.10/mile is pretty low, and very attainable. |
Originally Posted by CJKatl
(Post 20093226)
Here are my flights for the next two weeks:
IME, $.10/mile is pretty low, and very attainable. My point is not that 10 cpm is low or high or unattainable or whatever. My point is that if you're flying between certain markets you can come in under 10 cpm without any sort of gaming, or even multiple weeks advance purchase. |
Originally Posted by Builderman
(Post 20093246)
And these are all short hops with one end on a DL hub.
My point is not that 10 cpm is low or high or unattainable or whatever. My point is that if you're flying between certain markets you can come in under 10 cpm without any sort of gaming, or even multiple weeks advance purchase. A system designed to encourage profits should have a qualification requirement that measures profit, not expense. Miles flown are expense. |
Originally Posted by CJKatl
(Post 20093326)
Understandable. But that doesn't make you as valuable to DL as those who do fly these routes. Previously, you would have been deemed more valuable because you flew more distance, when, in fact, you likely brought in less profit. It seems the new requirement corrects this.
A system designed to encourage profits should have a qualification requirement that measures profit, not expense. Miles flown are expense. In theory you could measure profit per customer directly. Take your RASM - CASM for each segment you fly multiplied by segment length and add them up. This would of course be terribly complicated, and DL likely would not want to share its CASM for specific routes/aircraft/etc. So we get a revenue based approximation instead. |
Originally Posted by pbarnette
(Post 20092919)
Who said that this is a response to rollover? If it was, why not just kill rollover? Other carriers have minimum spend requirements for certain levels. Other carriers have minimum flight requirements. And they have them despite having rollover.
Killing it would make more enemies. This is a lesser evil. If a transit agency chooses to end long-running senior-student discounts to raising fares, it's not a contract breach...it's a trust fissure. You can't fault disgruntled students and seniors for being insufficiently seized of the revenue evangel.
Originally Posted by pbarnette
(Post 20092919)
In what way did DL not honor their assurances? What is the time limit before which they can't adjust capacity at a hub?
And each time a marketing scheme backfires. Miles made worthless in part because they were so easy to get, and unused elite qualifying miles rolled over from year to year took less than three years to miscarry. |
Originally Posted by LegalTender
(Post 20093512)
...it's a trust fissure. You can't fault disgruntled students and seniors for being insufficiently seized of the revenue evangel....
You might not like the new policy, but it is NOT busting any real trust. BTW, students and seniors will still be able to enjoy low fares, they just won't be rained upon with perks. They will get what they pay for, which will still be a relative bargain. Hotel chains have always based their points on revenue, so those getting an AARP rate have always been given fewer points per stay than those staying on the rack rate. I've never heard any complaints about that. |
Originally Posted by CJKatl
(Post 20093048)
There's nothing wrong with DL investing money for perks towards those who better impact the bottom line and not throw the perks at those who are not as profitable. DL is, after all, a business, not a charity or private club.
They could kill the GM SkyClub freebie and the same applause line would work. The cheering section would celebrate "another step in its commitment to high value customers." Thank you sir, may I have another? |
Originally Posted by CJKatl
(Post 20093639)
How is this a trust fissure? One year's notice..
Taking away the easy glidepath to elite qualification was a must. Someone made the case to become the AT&T of the airline industry with rollovers. Now they have too many damn Platinums. Do upper-tier elites get complimentary upgrades on award tickets as well as on paid tickets? If not, was it recently disallowed? If so, what the hell are they thinking? |
GM+ are eligible for upgrades on award tickets.
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Originally Posted by renhelm
(Post 20091461)
50000 more miles until I make my million miler. After that its good bye Skyteam and good bye American Express. I'll keep my lifetime Silver just in case I have to fly Skyteam. ...
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Originally Posted by LegalTender
(Post 20093512)
Name another with rollover. Elite inflation became critical after Delta introduced it.
Originally Posted by LegalTender
(Post 20093512)
If a transit agency chooses to end long-running senior-student discounts to raising fares, it's not a contract breach...it's a trust fissure. You can't fault disgruntled students and seniors for being insufficiently seized of the revenue evangel.
Originally Posted by LegalTender
(Post 20093512)
"Adjust capacity" is doublespeak. A CEO telling Congress there are "no plans" to kill service may have no shelf life whatsoever. But expect a price paid later.
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Originally Posted by pbarnette
(Post 20092430)
You mean idiots like those that drove NW into bankruptcy?
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Originally Posted by pbarnette
(Post 20093911)
Your argument is that rollover "caused" this reaction. That other carriers do not have rollover BUT have the same "reaction" is precisely what weakens your argument!
Southwest, for one, doesn't have lounges, upgrades or elite bag fee waivers. Their FF model bears no resemblance.
Originally Posted by pbarnette
(Post 20093911)
Some nothing Congressman from Memphis throws a hissy fit? As I see it, everyone wins. The Congressman gets to throw his hissy fit in an attempt to win votes and DL ignores it.
Originally Posted by StayingHomeIsBetter
(Post 20093914)
Perhaps I have lost historical perspective (in which case, I am sure you will correct me :D) but aren't some of those "idiots like those that drove NW into bankruptcy" the same people your are currently praising for their insightful and inspired leadership of Delta?
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Originally Posted by StayingHomeIsBetter
(Post 20093914)
Perhaps I have lost historical perspective (in which case, I am sure you will correct me :D) but aren't some of those "idiots like those that drove NW into bankruptcy" the same people your are currently praising for their insightful and inspired leadership of Delta?
And remember that I am fundamentally an optimist. I may think that most other people are idiots, but even idiots can be redeemed. |
Originally Posted by LegalTender
(Post 20094035)
What industry reaction?
Originally Posted by LegalTender
(Post 20094035)
Delta CEO Richard Anderson told a congressional committee the merged carrier would retain the hub's TATL flights, and suggested to a Memphis newspaper that the merger would increase its Memphis service, not shrink it. He did it to forestall any government opposition to the acquisition of Northwest. I gather it was something like, "we have no plans" to give both pledges a trap door.
And bear in mind that Congress had no standing to approve or disallow the merger anyway. Their hearings were nothing more than show for the constituents back home. |
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