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Originally Posted by DelrayChris
(Post 20125345)
+1,000
They have a massive data warehouse. You would be an idiot to think that they did not perform complex data analysis. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta...about-you.html |
Originally Posted by javabytes
(Post 20124580)
Why bother? With MQDs, there is already a 10cpm average requirement, so I don't understand the need to slice MQM earnings on LUT fares too.
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Originally Posted by GRALISTAIR
(Post 20125404)
Just a gut feeling - maybe two or 3 years down the line - but I feel it coming.
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Originally Posted by cc2
(Post 20124811)
Please spare me the "you can go somewhere else" speech. To put it simply... duh.
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Originally Posted by javabytes
(Post 20125420)
I'm not saying I doubt you... I think it is coming too, and sooner than 2-3 years. My guess is the new coach fare classes are going to have some sort of reduced earnings. I just question the point of it when MQDs already exist.
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Hey guys and Gals - may I summarize this whole thread and others in a sentence or two?
Hey Delta - the ride was great while it lasted - thanks. We understand the need for change. Let us see what the future holds. |
Originally Posted by CJKatl
(Post 20125200)
When the airlines find the climate bad for air travel, and/or they have allowed too much inventory, it is a buyer's market. The airlines have to give more. When air travel is up and/or inventory is controlled, the airlines don't have to offer as much. Or did you miss that basic marketing class? Or not study supply and demand as part of elementary economics?
Your childish "duh" on behalf of someone who is not you indicates you know rationally that is the truth. You just need to learn to keep your emotions in check when it comes to business. Emotions do impact decisions; unfortunately, some people allow emotions to control decisions. If a business can fool you into doing that, power to the business. Pity the fool who is that naive. It is also important to recognize that emotion and reason are not mutually exclusive. I can have an emotional reaction to these program changes while still ensuring that my follow-through, as a consumer, is reasoned. |
Originally Posted by javabytes
(Post 20125420)
I'm not saying I doubt you... I think it is coming too, and sooner than 2-3 years. My guess is the new coach fare classes are going to have some sort of reduced earnings. I just question the point of it when MQDs already exist.
If it is a drastic cut then people may leave, but if it is, say 75% MQMs then some may just accept lower status (DM -> PM, PM -> GM) rather than leaving entirely. |
This may be off topic but I think the issue with Delta is much more insidious than Elite status qualification ... next time you are on one of the refitted MD90s go back to the rear of the plane and ATTEMPT to sit in those seats ... Think of a 3 hr flight with your knees touching the seat in front. Heaven forbid when the person in front of you decides to recline all the way back! Economy Comfort means Economic misery for those who do not pay!
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The Official Medallion Qualification Update Thread
The JV exclusion from MQDs is a HUGE loophole that tanks this whole new program. While I get the need for MQDs, spending on a metal-neutral JV that's advertised as such should count toward MQDs. If I fly DTW-CDG on AF, Delta gets the same revenue regardless of whether or not my ticket is plated DL or AF... so why shouldn't it be counted the same?
I gather, like many have, that it's simply a lack of ability to track customer spending across all JV partners with current revenue management systems. But, that's something that should have been worked-out BEFORE this new MQD rule was introduced. |
Originally Posted by CJKatl
(Post 20124639)
If you don't like how the fruit looks in the market, don't buy the fruit. Just because the fruit looked good last week and the week before doesn't mean you are locked into buying the fruit in the future. You enjoyed the fruit in the past. Nothing has changed on that. But nobody is forcing the vendor to sell the same product week after week, and certainly nobody is forcing you to buy it. If the shop keeper thinks selling different fruit will be better for his bottom line, he is entitled to make that decision. Go. Buy different fruit. Enjoy the different fruit. Don't allow yourself to get upset about something that has changed, over which you have no control.
You realize you have gotten emotionally invested in your business relationship with a corporation, right? Just because you made the mistake of making it "more than just a business" to you doesn't make it more than just a business. It is a business. It is just a business. Nothing more. Nothing less. Your misperception does not make something more than it is. Heck, I was upset AMC stopped making the Pacer before I was old enough to buy one, but I understand products change. AMC didn't have to keep making the Pacer anymore than DL has to keep offering the same benefits to the same people just because that's what they did last year or the year before. |
Originally Posted by bubbashow
(Post 20128046)
BEST post of the entire thread ^
You and a few others believe the changes are good for DL as a corporation and good for you as an individual passenger. Others disagree. I think everybody on here gets the fact that DL can change or cancel the program at any point in time. The miles are owned by DL anyway, so they can do with them as they see fit. |
help me with the M & ST MQM devaluation
To those who seek a more pure group of elites, help me understand how me losing the 50% MQM bonus on expensive international M fares is advantage for those who remain with DL.
When I pay $3.5 - $5K for an M fare and upgrade with SWUs, I never do so without confirming upgrades on all the long segments. All the domestic segments are also usually confirmed on the day of purchase and most buys are done months in advance of the trip. The greatest problem has been with upgrading out of hubs on non-DL medal - but still ST - like AMS, CDG and NRT. So how does that purchase profile negatively impact other elites? |
Originally Posted by javabytes
(Post 20125380)
They can run reports on a PAX's entire, lifetime travel history, spend, patterns, etc. |
I do not see this CNN blogpost quoted in this thread
http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2013/...requent-flyer/ Likely because it's a bit too hysterical... |
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