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Denolloyd Apr 5, 2012 1:39 pm

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Originally Posted by socrates

Originally Posted by N808DE (Post 18339837)
Why would they "rush" you off the plane? You were on the ground so there was no more danger (if there was any to begin with). I'd not rush to judgment based on a GA's observation of what may or may not have been a crack.

perhaps the GA wasn't 100% positive the white powder was crack and to be safe they decided to remove the pax :D

If it was powder she would have been 100% wrong :D. "Cocaine" would be the powder. When mixed and cooked with garbage, it becomes solid "crack". Hence the term "crack rock".

Back to your regularly scheduled program.

pdisme Apr 5, 2012 1:56 pm


Originally Posted by MR_MAMA (Post 18339529)
Plus you were just arriving, how do you know it didn't happen after takeoff and the plane was then grounded to fix afterwards?

+1. Southwest had a hole in the plane rip open during flight, I'm sure it didn't take off that way, and obviously the underlying cause went undetected.

I'm sure this stuff happens more often than we'd like to think. :) I don't tell my wife that though, she is already scared of flying.

Yub Apr 5, 2012 3:21 pm

The NTSB Aircraft Accident Report for Aloha Airlines Flight 243 states that a passenger boarding the aircraft noticed a crack in the fuselage but did not mention it to the airline staff. During the short flight from Hilo to Honolulu, the aircraft suffered explosive decompression resulting in a huge section of aircraft's skin being torn away. After seeing pictures of the damaged aircraft, I'm amazed that the flight crew was able to maintain control of the aircraft and guide it to an emergency landing in Kahului.

After reading about the accident, I always take a quick look around the fuselage as I'm boarding.

DL2SXM Apr 5, 2012 3:30 pm


Originally Posted by BobH (Post 18340209)
Was the OP really rushed off because some was wrong with the plane, or was he delaying other passengers who also wanted to get off and may have had connections? --- after all LGA is sorta a hub these days.

<lol>

Bob H

people, like the OP in this case, tend to exagerate.

N639DL Apr 5, 2012 4:29 pm


Originally Posted by MR_MAMA (Post 18339529)
Plus you were just arriving, how do you know it didn't happen after takeoff and the plane was then grounded to fix afterwards?

+1

If I was in that case, I would've marked the tail down and tracked it on FlightAware later.

GRALISTAIR Apr 5, 2012 7:42 pm

Al-Cu precipitation hardened alloy. I would not worry too much.

socrates Apr 6, 2012 4:46 am


Originally Posted by Denolloyd (Post 18341833)
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If it was powder she would have been 100% wrong :D. "Cocaine" would be the powder. When mixed and cooked with garbage, it becomes solid "crack". Hence the term "crack rock".

Back to your regularly scheduled program.

I'm not even going to ask..... :D

avidflyer Apr 6, 2012 5:56 am


Originally Posted by GRALISTAIR (Post 18343570)
Al-Cu precipitation hardened alloy. I would not worry too much.


They do take cracks seriously, particularly on short hop ac. Aloha and more recently SW have had metal fatigue incidents on AC that have had a very high percentage of cycles to age. I believe you are a commercial chemist or materials expert so you know far more than I on the subject but the way I understand it is the pressurize / depressurize cycles tend to act on an aircraft's skin (at the rivets) much like bending an aluminum can back and forth; eventually it breaks. I am sure this was just a surface (paint) crack but they do have to look at every one.

X3Skier Apr 6, 2012 6:40 am


Originally Posted by avidflyer (Post 18345308)
I believe you are a commercial chemist or materials expert so you know far more than I on the subject but the way I understand it is the pressurize / depressurize cycles tend to act on an aircraft's skin (at the rivets) much like bending an aluminum can back and forth; eventually it breaks. I am sure this was just a surface (paint) crack but they do have to look at every one.

Aircraft (and engines and other items)are tracked both by hours and Landing / Take Off Cycles and in the case of engines, type and duration of power changes.

Some failure modes are driven by cycles like metal fatigue and others are driven by hours of use like corrosion and some even have combinations of both.

The FAA requires inspections and replacements based on both factors and the airlines sometimes have more restrictive limits.

As far as this incident reported by the OP, who knows what it was and the fuselage is not going to fall apart on the ground.;)

Cheers

GRALISTAIR Apr 6, 2012 6:44 am


Originally Posted by avidflyer (Post 18345308)
They do take cracks seriously, particularly on short hop ac. Aloha and more recently SW have had metal fatigue incidents on AC that have had a very high percentage of cycles to age. I believe you are a commercial chemist or materials expert so you know far more than I on the subject but the way I understand it is the pressurize / depressurize cycles tend to act on an aircraft's skin (at the rivets) much like bending an aluminum can back and forth; eventually it breaks. I am sure this was just a surface (paint) crack but they do have to look at every one.

Brilliantly and succintly put. I was just being a bit of a smart-... as flying is so safe. Rivets/joints tend to be the weak spots. That is why there is a trend to composites and adhesives. On 767 etc on TATLs far less cycles and even safer.

Crazyhotelguy Apr 6, 2012 6:47 am


Originally Posted by N808DE (Post 18339837)
Why would they "rush" you off the plane? You were on the ground so there was no more danger (if there was any to begin with). I'd not rush to judgment based on a GA's observation of what may or may not have been a crack.

+1. Maybe it was a crack, but no need to rush pax off..... I do not think planes are set to self - destruct on the ground.....

avidflyer Apr 6, 2012 7:09 am


Originally Posted by GRALISTAIR (Post 18345437)
Brilliantly and succintly put. I was just being a bit of a smart-... as flying is so safe. Rivets/joints tend to be the weak spots. That is why there is a trend to composites and adhesives. On 767 etc on TATLs far less cycles and even safer.

Thank You! (I have no material science or chemistry background...but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express about a month ago :))

Sabai Apr 6, 2012 7:13 am


Originally Posted by Denolloyd (Post 18341833)

If it was powder she would have been 100% wrong :D. "Cocaine" would be the powder. When mixed and cooked with garbage, it becomes solid "crack". Hence the term "crack rock".

Your analysis could make you a candidate for urinalysis...

Crazyhotelguy Apr 6, 2012 7:15 am


Originally Posted by Sabai (Post 18345534)
Your analysis could make you a candidate for urinalysis...

:D

Flaflyer Apr 6, 2012 5:13 pm


Originally Posted by Yub (Post 18342409)
The NTSB Aircraft Accident Report for Aloha Airlines Flight 243

For those too young to remember this is how much metal an old Boeing can lose and still fly. (I like the old Boeings--they are built like trucks. The 737 was designed ten years closer to the B-17 than the 787.)

It did last 89,090 cycles, after being designed to last for 75,000. And I guess it was fortunate the 737-200 does not have any tail mounted engines to be damaged by all that stuff, and have normal engine operation to reach an airport rather than having to ditch. ^


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