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sethb Aug 3, 2011 2:46 pm

A Modest Proposal
 
I propose that Delta institute a fee, say $20, to allow Coach pax to use a lavatory in First.

nytraveller53 Aug 3, 2011 2:54 pm


Originally Posted by sethb (Post 16853852)
I propose that Delta institute a fee, say $20, to allow Coach pax to use a lavatory in First.

Oh boy. Pass the popcorn, this is going to be good.

FAY CRJ-200 Aug 3, 2011 3:00 pm


Originally Posted by sethb (Post 16853852)
I propose that Delta institute a fee, say $20, to allow Coach pax to use a lavatory in First.

And divide the money collected among the passengers in First:D

jaimemayo Aug 3, 2011 3:08 pm

I don't think a FC lav pass is needed. I have been on many DL flights where Y pax use the F class lav and nothing is ever said.

fti Aug 3, 2011 3:12 pm


Originally Posted by sethb (Post 16853852)
I propose that Delta institute a fee, say $20, to allow Coach pax to use a lavatory in First.

Charge the FA's $10 and the pax $10 since the FA's so willingly and knowingly allow such use.

sethb Aug 3, 2011 3:15 pm


Originally Posted by jaimemayo (Post 16854012)
I don't think a FC lav pass is needed. I have been on many DL flights where Y pax use the F class lav and nothing is ever said.

Precisely. Telling pax not to do something, especially where the only risk is being stopped and told again, doesn't work. Telling them they're welcome to if they pay $20 will have at least some of them not wanting to risk having to pay.

DaDaDan Aug 3, 2011 3:19 pm

"Anyone have a fiddle? Make someone from coach fiddle for me."

http://www.vagabondish.com/hilarious...e-stuff-video/

steex Aug 3, 2011 3:39 pm

I don't think this goes far enough. I propose that Delta rearrange the cabin en route on every flight. It's obviously correct that FC pax get to board first and make all the coach pax slink past them to reach their cattle pen. It's equally obvious that the FC pax are properly lifted airborne at the front of the plane earlier than the folks in back.

What needs to happen is to have the FC cabin relocated to the back of the plane midflight to ensure that the premium pax also have the privilege of reaching the ground before coach. Additionally, this would reinforce the fact that coach pax are inferior by making them wait as the FC pax walk through the now-forward coach cabin to leave the plane first.

As a final touch, pax would find that the seats have been rearranged, but the overheads have not. FC pax can leisurely stroll to the front of the plane where their carry-on bags are waiting, while most coach pax will find that they must force their way down the aisle contra-flow to reach their carry-ons several rows behind them.

CarmenOM Aug 3, 2011 3:54 pm

Maybe DL could add access to the F lav to the Have One on Us coupon for medallions who don't get upgrades.:D

akonradi Aug 3, 2011 4:06 pm

The fee goes up to $40 to the coach passengers that crop dust the F cabin while queuing in the aisle.

BobH Aug 3, 2011 4:14 pm


Originally Posted by sethb (Post 16853852)
I propose that Delta institute a fee, say $20, to allow Coach pax to use a lavatory in First.

DUMB IDEA

I've sat in FC my share of times, and have no problem with someone coming from the front part of coach to use the FC lav's when they're not being used and the carts are out in coach.

The OP should think about this situation the next time he/she isn't upgraded.

Bob H

PRWeezer Aug 3, 2011 4:14 pm

$100 for a BizElite/International flight, since that seems to be the only time the no-cabin-crossing policy is strictly enforced. Just mount one of those handy credit card scanners to the curtain.

(in before the lock :D)

akonradi Aug 3, 2011 4:17 pm


Originally Posted by BobH (Post 16854426)
DUMB IDEA

I've sat in FC my share of times, and have no problem with someone coming from the front part of coach to use the FC lav's when they're not being used and the carts are out in coach.

The OP should think about this situation the next time he/she isn't upgraded.

Bob H

You may want to switch your sarcasm detector to [ON] the next time that you log into FlyerTalk. :rolleyes: ;)

rylan Aug 3, 2011 4:19 pm

Maybe they can put premium tp in F also, and charge 10c per sheet!

MS02113 Aug 3, 2011 4:44 pm


Originally Posted by akonradi (Post 16854452)
You may want to switch your sarcasm detector to [ON] the next time that you log into FlyerTalk. :rolleyes: ;)

And here I thought the thread title telegraphed the OP's tone.

Seriously, though, I do wish that FAs would more consistently deploy the curtain between F and Y to discourage aft passengers from venturing forward.

Sez_Who Aug 3, 2011 4:50 pm


Originally Posted by sethb (Post 16853852)
I propose that Delta institute a fee, say $20, to allow Coach pax to use a lavatory in First.

But of course, there has to be handouts. If DL agrees with your idea, I would think they would propose the following:

Diamond = Free
Platinum = $5
Gold = $10
FO = $15

And just to irritate FO's a little more, DL AmEx cardholders pay only $13. :D

nytraveller53 Aug 3, 2011 4:51 pm

Does someone have a little extra popcorn for me? I ran out.:D

Doby Aug 3, 2011 5:05 pm

Better idea, all economy passengers have to pay $5 to the DMs on the flight for the privilege of sharing a plane with them.

Crazyhotelguy Aug 3, 2011 5:09 pm

+$10 if you require a guide to find the Lav in FC. $5 more if under 12 and unattended....

In before the lock....

DLdweeb Aug 3, 2011 5:12 pm

Hmmm....virtually every domestic flight I have been on in F (in recent memory) has seen Y pax use the FC lav. Sure the FA may make an announcement requesting you use the lav in your cabin, but it is roundly ignored. Only on a recent flight from Mexico to ATL did the FA announce it was a law that pax only use the lavs in their cabin.

BTW, please pass the popcorn!

CarmenOM Aug 3, 2011 5:31 pm

A couple of weeks ago I flew on an E75: 12 seats in J, 64 in Y, one lav up front, one at the very back of the AC. In his announcements the FA said that passengers in both cabins should us both lavs. It made a lot of sense on that plane; I didn't feel proprietary about the F lav with those ratios.

akonradi Aug 3, 2011 6:00 pm


Originally Posted by nytraveller53 (Post 16854633)
Does someone have a little extra popcorn for me? I ran out.:D

There's a $14 popcorn fee, but you save 99% if you use your Amex.

nytraveller53 Aug 3, 2011 6:04 pm


Originally Posted by akonradi (Post 16855014)
There's a $14 popcorn fee, but you save 99% if you use your Amex.

Ah. Will I get priority access to the salt shaker?

akonradi Aug 3, 2011 6:06 pm


Originally Posted by nytraveller53 (Post 16855037)
Ah. Will I get priority access to the salt shaker?

We're talking about domestic first... Your three grains of salt will come in a cheapo paper pouch. No shakers for you.

Save at least one of those grains to take while reading certain flyertalk posts.

PRWeezer Aug 3, 2011 6:08 pm


Originally Posted by nytraveller53 (Post 16855037)
Ah. Will I get priority access to the salt shaker?

Yeah you've got to pay for BizElite to get the Widget Shaped salt/pepper shaker. Is that even still around in BE? Loved it!

jrl767 Aug 3, 2011 6:11 pm


Originally Posted by sethb (Post 16853852)
I propose that Delta institute a fee, say $20, to allow Coach pax to use a lavatory in First.

surprised nobody has asked this yet, but here goes ...

$20 per visit? or $20 per flight?

:rolleyes:

nytraveller53 Aug 3, 2011 6:11 pm


Originally Posted by akonradi (Post 16855047)
We're talking about domestic first... Your three grains of salt will come in a cheapo paper pouch. No shakers for you.

Save at least one of those grains to take while reading certain flyertalk posts.

Although I imagine as a loyal AmEx customer, I'll receive real butter, while the FOs get an Economy-class pack of "Buttery Spread".

nytraveller53 Aug 3, 2011 6:11 pm


Originally Posted by jrl22 (Post 16855067)
surprised nobody has asked this yet, but here goes ...

$20 per visit? or $20 per flight?

:rolleyes:

A $300-a-month unlimited pass will also be available.

dean1121 Aug 3, 2011 6:30 pm

Mmmmm, I think the lavs should be for DM's only, everyone else should just hold, even transcons. Intl routes we could cut people a little slack and restrict to just one visit. :D

knoa_knows Aug 3, 2011 8:12 pm

This thread is going to be good. Gonna bookmark it...

javabytes Aug 3, 2011 8:19 pm


Originally Posted by nytraveller53 (Post 16855070)
A $300-a-month unlimited pass will also be available.

Can also use miles... 40,000 for the month pass. With an initiation fee, of course, if you're a new member.

akonradi Aug 3, 2011 8:30 pm


Originally Posted by javabytes (Post 16855700)
Can also use miles... 40,000 for the month pass. With an initiation fee, of course, if you're a new member.

Only if you're Platinum (assuming that this is still free for DM). Much like Sky Club membership, this will cost 70,000 miles for kettles. Fortunately miles can be purchased for only 3.5 cents each!

Doby Aug 3, 2011 10:40 pm


Originally Posted by dean1121 (Post 16855174)
Mmmmm, I think the lavs should be for DM's only, everyone else should just hold, even transcons. Intl routes we could cut people a little slack and restrict to just one visit. :D

Instead of "have one on us" coupons, delta will give out "have one trip to the toilet on us" coupons when OLCI.

KLflyerRalph Aug 3, 2011 11:48 pm

How many miles would one earn?

Imagine a Toilet Run! :cool:

belle3388 Aug 4, 2011 12:42 am


Originally Posted by jrl22 (Post 16855067)
surprised nobody has asked this yet, but here goes ... $20 per visit? or $20 per flight?

Or similiar to checked bag fees (sans size and weight restrictions):

first visit $20.00
second visit $30.00
third visit $40.00

and so on...

potakas Aug 4, 2011 12:56 am

Never thought that this one could be a problem on a US carrier, isn't "illegal" to walk to other cabin for them?

mnredfox Aug 4, 2011 1:25 am


Originally Posted by Doby (Post 16856256)
Instead of "have one on us" coupons, delta will give out "have one trip to the toilet on us" coupons when OLCI.

There'd be major issues given it'd take DL IT 3 months to figure it out how to print out correctly. In the meantime what would pax do?

DeltaFan4Now Aug 4, 2011 3:22 am

Imagine the reaction from the pax in Y on those CR7s that only have a lav in the back... The poor folks in F running that gauntlet might be hanged. Or worse!

LeslieJam Aug 4, 2011 7:29 am


Originally Posted by sethb (Post 16853852)
I propose that Delta institute a fee, say $20, to allow Coach pax to use a lavatory in First.

And if they have no bread, let them eat cake. :)

javabytes Aug 4, 2011 7:36 am


Originally Posted by akonradi (Post 16855752)
Only if you're Platinum (assuming that this is still free for DM). Much like Sky Club membership, this will cost 70,000 miles for kettles. Fortunately miles can be purchased for only 3.5 cents each!

Don't forget the promo, which makes this a steal at roughly 47,000 miles purchased.


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