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bruceba Jul 4, 2014 7:22 am


Originally Posted by chornedsnorkack (Post 23141485)
Residensea flies Bahama flag.

How does Bahama enforce compulsory education on long-term foreign visitors on land/private isles? And how is education enforced on long term passengers of Bahama flagged ships?

They don't!

Kagehitokiri Jul 4, 2014 10:31 am

moved

ijkh Jul 4, 2014 3:21 pm

Your travel needs would likely be more efficiently met by a world cruise on a luxury line such as Crystal. These are smaller ships with some beautiful larger penthouses complete with Personal Butler. This is a much better deal than the World and you still have your own apartment.

At 212 k per person all included it is a steal.

Ymmv

Myrtonos Jul 4, 2014 4:40 pm


Originally Posted by Flyingmama (Post 23142221)
We are getting way off topic here, but I'll take a stab at answering - with the understanding I can only speak about US laws. In the US, a child is considered truant if he/she is absent without permission from a school in which he/she is registered. Other laws, such as child neglect, may apply if a child has never been registered in school and/or attended school. The exception is home schooling - in most states those children are required to be registered with their local school districts as being home schooled.

I thought that trunacy laws meant laws requring children to be educated. Compulsory education necesitates formal education, and means that at least some subjects need to be mandated.


As chornedsnorkack noted, the ship flies a Bahamiam flag. And while the Bahamas do have compulsory education up to age 16, enforcement can be a tad iffy. Whether Bahamian law would apply to children of other nationalities aboard the ship is probably something a court would have to decide.
What subjects are compulsory in the Bahamas? Is the ship orginially from the Bahamas?


The depth and extent of education would be up to the children's parents, wouldn't it? Or more likely the tutors and/or governesses hired to teach them. If nothing else, children growing up on board would likely be whizzes at geography and navigation -- :D
And many would naturally learn bit of other languages too, given the international nature of the ship.

Flyingmama Jul 5, 2014 7:55 am


Originally Posted by Myrtonos (Post 23144912)
I thought that trunacy laws meant laws requring children to be educated. Compulsory education necesitates formal education, and means that at least some subjects need to be mandated.

Truancy laws and compulsory education laws are not interchangeable, although truancy laws may be a component of compulsory education laws. Truancy is usually defined (courtesy of Wikipedia) as "any intentional unauthorized or illegal absence from compulsory education. It is absences caused by students of their own free will, and usually does not refer to legitimate "excused" absences, such as ones related to medical conditions."

I could be wrong, of course, but I know of no compulsory education law requiring that all children must be taught in a brick and mortar institution. There is no reason a child could not be educated aboard the ResidentSea as long as the spirit of the is law is met.

As to whether compulsory education laws mandate the teaching of certain subjects probably depends on the laws of the individual countries. In the U.S. that used to be left up to the local communities to decide, although in the past 25 years or so there has been a shift toward enacting national standards for grades k-12. However, private schools which receive no public funding are not required to abide by these national standards.


What subjects are compulsory in the Bahamas?
The usual - reading, writing, arithmetic, etc. And also religion.


Is the ship orginially from the Bahamas?
No. The ship was built by a private Norwegian entity and sold to the residents in 2003 who now own it. It is not unusual for ships from all over the world to be registered in the Bahamas. This is known as a "flag of convenience" and means the ship is subject to the laws of its flag country rather than the country in which it is owned. With the ResidentSea and its multiple owners, however, it might be difficult to determine which country does represent the owner(s), although I suppose one could argue it would be the US since the ship's management company is based in Florida.

Kagehitokiri Jul 5, 2014 9:26 am

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Myrtonos Jul 5, 2014 7:03 pm


Originally Posted by Flyingmama (Post 23146899)
Truancy laws and compulsory education laws are not interchangeable, although truancy laws may be a component of compulsory education laws. Truancy is usually defined (courtesy of Wikipedia) as "any intentional unauthorized or illegal absence from compulsory education. It is absences caused by students of their own free will, and usually does not refer to legitimate "excused" absences, such as ones related to medical conditions."

Yes, but for there to be compulsory education, there must necessarily be truancy laws.


I could be wrong, of course, but I know of no compulsory education law requiring that all children must be taught in a brick and mortar institution. There is no reason a child could not be educated aboard the ResidentSea as long as the spirit of the is law is met.
That is the case in Germany, additionally, all schoolchildren, in addition to the usual subjects, must learn English, another foreign language (usually French) and a science subject.

I have heard the ship is orgininally from Norway, but its bearing of the Bahaman flag of convenience puzzled me.

YariGuy Jul 6, 2014 11:45 pm

Fascinating topic.

To keep it on track here's more recent information (2013) that the smallest units go for $2 million.

http://fortheinterim.hubpages.com/hu...etirement-goal

And I would think more than truancy, tax filing would be a nightmare. I live overseas in just 1 other country mainly and already that's a 92-page tax return!

MSPeconomist Jul 7, 2014 12:08 am

Wouldn't compulsory education laws normally apply only to residents? Would ResidenSea owners be legal residents of the Bahamas? Or would they typically be legal residents of whatever home they own or their former residential location? In this case, the schooling rules of their residence might apply to children, although AFAIK it's not a legal issue to send kids to another state or country even when their legal residence has compulsory schooling laws.

For example, if a child goes with parents to some foreign country for an extended tourist visit during a school holiday of the home country which isn't a school holiday for the country being visited, the kid normally wouldn't be expected to enroll in local schools.

However, I suspect the short answer is that there are few kids who spend much time on this ship and for these few, their parents are responsible and make appropriate arrangements for tutors or whatever.

Kagehitokiri Jul 7, 2014 12:15 am

anyone who can afford $90,000+ (studio) > $730,000+ annual fees would have no problems with any compulsory education laws - dont underestimate options available to wealthy


Originally Posted by Flyingmama (Post 23146899)
I know of no compulsory education law requiring that all children must be taught in a brick and mortar institution.

if nothing else, a wealthy parent could simply hire existing/new private school/university staff as full time (traveling) family instructor(s) - in other words if there is a 'problem' it is easily solved with money

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compuls...n_in_countries
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truancy...hments_imposed

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homesch...and_statistics (US different from others)


Originally Posted by YariGuy (Post 23154433)
smallest units go for $2 million

that price would be 2BR studio apartment
studios look like $600K > $800K or less

Flyingmama Jul 7, 2014 7:26 am


Originally Posted by Myrtonos (Post 23149237)
I have heard the ship is orgininally from Norway, but its bearing of the Bahaman flag of convenience puzzled me.

Why?

Most cruise ships fly flags of convenience, so there is no reason to think ResidenSea would be any different. Panama seems to be the most popular flag of convenience with cruise lines, but the Bahamas and Liberia frequently show up, too.

Myrtonos Sep 30, 2014 5:45 am

As far as I know, ResidenSea does not have air-lubrication, which has been tried on some cargo ships. Will the Utopia feature such?

And does ResidenSea have something called a watch alarm? I've heard of a system on board large ships where a light flashes on the bridge if the skipper doesn't operate the navigational equipment within the normal interval, and that needs to be disarmed within a certain amount of time otherwise an alarm sounds, followed soon by additional stimuli in the captains and officer's cabins and then in other locations of personel.

Kagehitokiri Sep 30, 2014 8:40 am

i cant imagine any other ships will be built any time soon


Originally Posted by Kagehitokiri (Post 23531221)

Originally Posted by cruisr (Post 23531175)
A former colleague of mine works there. They use to have a department that would take reservations from non owners as if it were a regular cruise. They have since stopped that. There is a program, that is sort of like a "by invitation only" where potential buyers of the staterooms/studios/1 bedrooms, etc can come onboard for a try out, so to speak. It's my understanding they have to be referred and sort of "vetted"

Very interesting that when the ship is in dry dock the owners, who obviously cannot stay in their shipboard homes are offered things such as river cruises, tours, and hotel stays at discounted rates whilst the ship is not available to them.

thanks. suggests only option for most of us is Exclusive Resorts ("Gifted" trip from member or 21-night trial)


Myrtonos Oct 6, 2014 8:01 am

By the way, who pilots the ResidenSea, is it or will it ever be someone who lives on the ship?

grbflyer Nov 4, 2014 5:57 pm

i often wonder about this ship too. i saw the travel channel special, the whole thing about the couple that plays piano and sings. but if i remember correctly, they buy into this, but it only lasts for so long. its not a permanent purchase, at some point your "residence" runs out.


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