bensyd

Not quite. The Russian vaccine is going to phase III trials in August. The Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine went to phase III a month ago in Brazil.

nk15

Trump has already ordered 300 million doses of the Oxford vaccine, so that's what you are all getting in the US, and hopefully it works, so calm down...

Misco60

Whether you get the vaccine or not, social distancing and other restrictions (mandatory use of masks, limits on numbers of customers, severe restrictions on international travel) will continue until governments are certain that the virus is no longer a significant threat.

And there is more than one vaccine currently in development: how will you know whether the first one is the best one?

nk15

I think there are about 20 total in development, I recommend getting at least 5, the Russian, the Chinese, a couple of Americans, and the UK one, just to be on the safe side...

fransknorge

Immuno-compromised people can only have inactive vaccine, live vaccine are forbidden to them. If the immunosuppression is due to a therapy (immuno therapy, chemo therapy) this therapy must be stopped (could be for a period of time up to 6 months) with all the risks that it entails (auto immune disease flaring up, cancer restarting) to take a live vaccine.
Live vaccine are mostly for:

• Measles, mumps, rubella (MMR combined vaccine)
• Rotavirus
• Smallpox
• Chickenpox
• Yellow fever
• Flu (nasal shot)

Inactive vaccine are for:

• Hepatitis A
• Flu (shot only)
• Polio (shot only)
• Rabies

We do not know whether the COVID-19 vaccine will be live or inactive. If live then immunocompromised has to rely on herd immunity to get protected. Thus meaning the max people should be have the vaccine for it to be efficient for society (like most vaccine).
Disclosure: I am immuno compromised.

warakorn

A very stupid notion, I must say.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...e-tracker.html

The first vaccines that will be available are so called "Whole -Virus Vaccines", most likely from China or Russia.. These are potentially the more dangerous ones.
In the past such vaccines may worsen the disease. If the formed antibodies do not perfectly fit to the virus, the virus may infect the immuno-cells, as well.

Hence, you can only safely "chase" your vaccine once it is proven that sth. like that won't happen.

The better course -> Follow the social distancing protocol, wear mask .... and get the vaccine once it is 99.99% safe.

warakorn

Juat because Trump ordered 300m doses, doesn't mean he'll get them all.

ahmetdouas

The US does not need 300 m doses of the vaccine, at least initially. They are funding 4 different ones I believe, the quickest one seems to be Moderna. The Oxford Vaccine will get first given to the UK as they co financed and developed it.

Annalisa12

What if you get the virus on the way to some other country to get the vaccine. And how do you know there ARE other countries open to bribes?

AlanInDC

I'm in the waiting camp too, especially if a vaccine becomes available soon (i.e., within the next year). I'm concerned not only about the efficacy of the vaccine but also the supply chain and delivery services. I can wait til the kinks are worked out and see what kind of side effects are observed from mass delivery of the vaccine, not just in trials.

ahmetdouas

Not everyone needs the vaccine, what the vaccine will do is achieve herd immunity much quicker than natural methods and with many less cases/deaths.

LifeontheBeach

[Overly personal comment redacted by Mod] you're not reading my posts right. Different countries will clear vaccines with the protocol that is in their countries. And I stated in my first post that I hold multiple passports. So the first proven one: I will be there. That is what's called chasing: not waiting for one country to clear it and depending on one system to get it.

Though I don't plan on getting the Russian vaccine, [personal comment redacted] your statement declaring them to be most dangerous is truly something. How do you know? NY times?

And if your source of info is NY times, nuff said.

LifeontheBeach

Maybe I will. After you produce your medical credentials to make such a prescription! ;-)

"Governments" is not a monolithic sacred entity. It's directed by politicians who mostly have no clue, and are fallible. Governments contradict each other and have differing rules at various regions of a country. It may not continue or may not be continuing across all countries and regions.

Every adult should be able to figure that out for themselves.

warakorn

Again, I am repeating my point again.
It is likely that China and Russia will be the first countries to approve their (locally engineered and developed Whole Virus) vaccines. However, you may have zero trust into the "Fake New York Times", however, I am have zero trust into the relevant public health/medicine authorities in China and Russia. Just because a CPC- or Kremlin- controlled agency is certifying that a vaccine is safe -> it doesn't mean anything to me. Hopefully, I do not have to explain to you how the protocols in China and Russia look like. It's only about power, face-safing, selling the vaccine to Africa etc.

My sources: Dr. Fauci, Prof. Christian Drosten; the danger of Whole Virus vaccines are well known in the scientific community. I am not a militant opponent of vaccines. However, if some recognized virus and vaccine experts are releasing very cautionary statements, I would listen to them.

LifeontheBeach

This medical info website says their clinical trials are complete.

https://www.clinicaltrialsarena.com/...vaccine-trial/

And this item says the civilian use by Aug 12 and mass production by September.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/...-august-a70858

I gotta point out: you are assuming a lot and wasting bandwidth. Just where did I say that I want to get the vaccine in China or Russia? In fact, I previously stated that I will give the Russian batch a miss.

It's about intent. It's about not sitting idle and hoping for the system to take care.