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paranoiatx May 24, 2009 1:23 pm

Thanks for all the responses -- I see there are very differing opinions on the subject. When I said 3 min connection time that was more when we got off the other flight. It may well have been T-0 or later by the time we were at the AUS gate. The exact time became a bit of a blur once we started running. I think the only reason we made it at all was because some other pax was already arguing with the GA for some other reason when we got there. Maybe there was already a previous reason for a delay.


Originally Posted by VanTheMan63 (Post 11797218)
I still, very much, struggle with this mentality...especially when a person buys a coach seat.

I think there's a difference between not getting the upgrade and already having it. I'm very much used to not getting the upgrades since I haven't managed to get myself to Platinum yet, plus I usually have el-cheapo tix. It's just when the upgrade has already cleared and I don't get to use it that a sense of entitlement comes up.


Originally Posted by sfogate (Post 11798070)
Tough situation for everyone. It's hard to say why the GA allowed the customers to board at T-3 and still not give them their F seats, when it appears that no one was waiting for the upgrade since those seats were open. The boarding agent should know more about what's going on with this flight that the controlling GA, who should be on board talking with the flight crew to get the ok to close the door.

Using the boarding pass readers makes our job so much more easier. We know who we are missing and the reader catches the upgrades and people who hand us the incorrect boarding pass (either the one for their next trip or they are attempting to board the wrong flight). We can also print out a list of those people who have failed to board. I usually do that at T-15 and double check how they were checked in; ie at home/auto return flight check in/late arriving connect. This list is passed onto the control GA to verify that the customers are not onboard, since the boarding pass readers can and do miss reading some boarding passes.

The control GA usually runs the final report at T-15, which contains the names of those sitting in F, those waiting for battlefield upgrades and the names of the non-revs, plus other information. This final report is handed to the FSM (lead FA). If paranoiatx and friend were still checked in, their names would have been shown on the final report. Easy enough to check. The GA is either on board at this time or standing on the jetway waiting to close the door and retract the jetway.

I'm sure everyone was rushing at this point to get the flight out. Not sure if this is considered a downgrade for the purposes of compensation. At T-3 you really don't have any leg to stand on since we can pull the jetway at T-14. You are considered to not exist at T-15 if you are not on the jetway at this time.

Thanks for the operational details SFOGate.

Several of you have said we should just we happy we made the flight. And we were, which is also why we did not want to argue with the GA or FA at the time. I had actually assumed that we had already been removed from the flight. However the interesting thing that made me start to question things was that the pda site still showed us in the F seats after we landed in AUS. I think there were still people after us on the upgrade list according to the pda site (from when we checked when we landed in IAH), but I'm not sure anymore and they certainly didn't clear any of those. That would imply to me that we had not yet been removed from the flight pax list. But the GA not scanning the BP when we boarded implies to me that we had been removed and some sort of manual entry would haven been necessary. Can't know for sure, so it's really just speculation on my part. My assumption is that the GA simply didn't want to take the time to verify our details in order to get the flight out ASAP.

So in summary, yes I'm happy we didn't have to spend some extra quality time in IAH. I try to keep my flying expectations realistic, but I can't help being a little annoyed when things don't go as smoothly. CO has still treated me better than most other airlines, so I can't really complain in the grand scheme of things. My post here was really just to get a little discussion going and see what you all thought, especially given the detail-oriented nature of this forum.

Thanks everyone!

Hartmann May 24, 2009 2:18 pm


Originally Posted by craz (Post 11797329)
The OP posted they made the flight by 3 mins. That tells me they got there after T-15 and although they were connecting could have been Off Loaded from the flight. Thusly even thou there were empty FC seats they might have no longer been on the flight manifest as passengers, so even scanning the BPs wouldnt have produced anything

Very well possible the GA had to add them back to the flight Manually and felt it was best to get the flight Out and add them after the flight departed, rather then hold up teh whole flight and have it depart as Delayed

I would have been Thrilled I made the flight and didnt have to hang around for the next flight, especially if it was a 45 min flight.Instead of Thanking the GA for letting them get on it the OP bashes away for not getting the FC seats. Oh Happy Days

If they had been offloaded they would not have shown up on the "Upgraded into F" list on the PDA site.

What I do not understand is why the GA did not scan the BPs. Did the original poster get his miles?

Xyzzy May 24, 2009 2:29 pm


Originally Posted by Hartmann (Post 11798499)
What I do not understand is why the GA did not scan the BPs. Did the original poster get his miles?

If the GA had scanned the boarding passes, an error would have sounded (multiple beeps) and small tickets with the new seat assignments would have popped out of the scanner.

paranoiatx May 24, 2009 2:57 pm


Originally Posted by Hartmann (Post 11798499)
If they had been offloaded they would not have shown up on the "Upgraded into F" list on the PDA site.

What I do not understand is why the GA did not scan the BPs. Did the original poster get his miles?

Got the miles+bonus+DEQMs and the flight shows as class ZU. So everything thinks we were in F.

sfogate May 24, 2009 2:58 pm


Originally Posted by Hartmann (Post 11798499)
If they had been offloaded they would not have shown up on the "Upgraded into F" list on the PDA site.

What I do not understand is why the GA did not scan the BPs. Did the original poster get his miles?

Maybe they had already signed out of their computer. Can't scan anything if nothing is signed into. I have no idea why they wouldn't have scanned the boarding cards because this is a very sure way of reconciling the flight.

If they unsat the customers and didn't rebook and seat them, then no they won't be getting credit for this flight.

sfogate May 24, 2009 2:59 pm


Originally Posted by paranoiatx (Post 11798642)
Got the miles+bonus+DEQMs and the flight shows as class ZU. So everything thinks we were in F.

Opps....major error on everyone's part. :td:

ConciergeMike May 24, 2009 3:03 pm

36 posts in and no one has welcomed someone who has a complaint thread for a first thread but did not gripe the way that the usual first-time complainers do? Come on now...it's so nice to read a reasoned complaint thread instead of the people who sign up, write a rant that was not checked for spelling or grammar, and then are never heard from again. Good for you paranoiatx, please post the resolution and hang around after that. And most importantly, welcome to FlyerTalk! :D

rlbmorton May 24, 2009 3:05 pm

Yes, welcome to flyer talk paranoiatx! Sfogate, I have a question, would the GA know that these PAX were coming from a connecting flight that had landed and were likely on their way to the gate and thus be expecting them?

ConciergeMike May 24, 2009 3:08 pm

The GA would know that they were connecting to that flight, sure. It affects their seat count for upgrades and oversells.

sfogate May 24, 2009 3:15 pm


Originally Posted by rlbmorton (Post 11798680)
Yes, welcome to flyer talk paranoiatx! Sfogate, I have a question, would the GA know that these PAX were coming from a connecting flight that had landed and were likely on their way to the gate and thus be expecting them?

I have never worked in IAH but, yes we know who is connecting and can follow the flight status. Often times IAH GA's will have the carts at the arriving gate to whisk the connecting customers to their next flight, especially if there is a large number of them or it's the last flight of the night.

Furthermore experience will also tell you just how long it takes for someone to make it from this gate to that gate.

Welcome to FT paroniatx. Leave it to CM to point out that we are rude and a lower class of people....just like werldporks in the Ebay postings pointed out. :D

rlbmorton May 24, 2009 3:33 pm


Originally Posted by sfogate (Post 11798715)
I have never worked in IAH but, yes we know who is connecting and can follow the flight status. Often times IAH GA's will have the carts at the arriving gate to whisk the connecting customers to their next flight, especially if there is a large number of them or it's the last flight of the night.

Furthermore experience will also tell you just how long it takes for someone to make it from this gate to that gate.

Thanks!

jrzyshawn May 24, 2009 3:37 pm


Originally Posted by sfogate (Post 11798715)
I have never worked in IAH but, yes we know who is connecting and can follow the flight status. Often times IAH GA's will have the carts at the arriving gate to whisk the connecting customers to their next flight, especially if there is a large number of them or it's the last flight of the night.

Furthermore experience will also tell you just how long it takes for someone to make it from this gate to that gate.

Welcome to FT paroniatx. Leave it to CM to point out that we are rude and a lower class of people....just like werldporks in the Ebay postings pointed out. :D

We are a bunch of low class toenail picking, no shoes wearing dirtbags sitting in first class. :p

I have had a Caaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrtttt at the gate a few times, I figured I just got lucky and found it, I didnt know the GA's sent them over. ^ to them.

Oh and welcome to FT paranoiatx

craz May 24, 2009 8:59 pm


Originally Posted by sfogate (Post 11798715)
I have never worked in IAH but, yes we know who is connecting and can follow the flight status. Often times IAH GA's will have the carts at the arriving gate to whisk the connecting customers to their next flight, especially if there is a large number of them or it's the last flight of the night.

Furthermore experience will also tell you just how long it takes for someone to make it from this gate to that gate.

Welcome to FT paroniatx. Leave it to CM to point out that we are rude and a lower class of people....just like werldporks in the Ebay postings pointed out. :D

Well since the OP got their miles and turns out they were on the Upgraded list, could be the GA simply wanted the flight out 1-2-3, but as you say hard to understand why they didnt scan the BPs

As for the FAs, I assume and Im asking You at the same time. Even if the OP showed an FA the PDA list and that they were UPed, is an FA allowed to rely on that alone and sit them in FC?

I ask since after seeing what some on here were able to do with making up a website that looked like it was indeed COs except for the extras they added at time (RNE) whats to stop me or anyine else from making up something that looks like the real PDa site and show it to a FA and say can I now take my UPed seating assignment. I would hope that it still remains the sole job of the GA do process the UPs. and yes that would also mean if a non-rev wasnt UPed before the door closed that they too should have to remain in the back of the bus

Jerseyguy May 24, 2009 9:41 pm

Here's what I want to know. If the FA was so busy getting ready for departure that she couldn't take a second to look at the manifest. How did she even have time to question the OP and his friend? I think she had time to check the manifest if she felt she had time to question the OP.

IAHtraveler May 24, 2009 10:13 pm


Originally Posted by craz (Post 11799696)
I ask since after seeing what some on here were able to do with making up a website that looked like it was indeed COs except for the extras they added at time (RNE) whats to stop me or anyine else from making up something that looks like the real PDa site and show it to a FA and say can I now take my UPed seating assignment.

I can't help but think about the grad student who wrote a program to make fake NW boarding passes.


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