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TommyC80 Apr 28, 2009 5:51 pm
Refundable H fare?
 
I just booked a flight tomorrow, EWR-BOS one way. It came up as a refundable H fare? I thought only (some) B fares and Y fares were refundable in economy.

I wonder if this is a website error since the old H is the new B....:confused:

OPFlyer Apr 28, 2009 5:52 pm
I have a refundable K fare booked.

KVS Apr 28, 2009 6:05 pm
Originally Posted by TommyC80 (Post 11661355)
I wonder if this is a website error since the old H is the new B....:confused:
A much better alternative to "wondering" is reading fare rules :):

[KVS Availability Tool 3.4.0/Platinum - DotRes: EWR-BOS/CO/H1/259 USD]
Code:
PENALTIES : FARE RULE
  CHANGES

  CHANGES PERMITTED.
  NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
  A. UNUSED TICKETS ARE FULLY REFUNDABLE.
  B. THE UNUSED PORTION OF A PARTIALLY USED TICKET
  IS REFUNDABLE TO THE ORIGINAL FORM OF PAYMENT.
  WHEN ROUND TRIP FARES WERE ORIGINALLY USED - TO
  DETERMINE THE REFUND - REPRICE THE ORIGINAL
  OUTBOUND AS A OW FARE USING CURRENT REFUNDABLE
  OW FARES.  ANY RESIDUAL WILL BE REFUNDED TO THE
  ORIGINAL FORM OF PAYMENT.

  CHANGES PERMITTED.
  NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
  SECTION 1 - WHOLLY UNUSED TICKETS -
  IN THE EVENT OF CHANGES TO TICKETED FLIGHTS
  BEFORE DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY AND WITHIN TKT
  VALIDITY CERTAIN DOMESTIC REISSUE PROVISIONS MAY
  BE OVERRIDDEN BY THOSE OF CO INTERNATIONAL FARES
  A. REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TICKET
  WAS ISSUED
  PROVIDED ALL THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE
  MET -
  1. NO CHANGE TO FARE BREAKS
  2. SAME FARE ON THE 1ST COMPONENT IS USED
  3. CO FARES ARE USED
  4. PRIVATE FARE TARIFFS ARE INCLUDED
  5. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS
  ARE MET
  6. VALIDATE ADVANCE RES REQUIREMENTS WHEN
  BOOKING DATE KNOWN
  7. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT
  WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN A LOWER FARE REFUND
  RESIDUAL THEN ADD-COLLECT - REFUND VIA
  ORIGINAL FORM OF PAYMENT
  ENDORSEMENT BOX - HIGHER NON-REF AMOUNT
  OR-
  B. REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT TODAY
  PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS
  ARE MET -
  1. CO FARES ARE USED
  2. PRIVATE FARE TARIFFS ARE INCLUDED
  3. VALIDATE ADVANCE RES REQUIREMENTS WHEN
  BOOKING DATE KNOWN
  4. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM REISSUE DATE
  TO DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY
  WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN A LOWER FARE REFUND
  RESIDUAL THEN ADD-COLLECT - REFUND VIA
  ORIGINAL FORM OF PAYMENT
  ENDORSEMENT BOX - HIGHER NON-REF AMOUNT
  OR-
  C. REPRICE USING CURRENT FARES - ONLY BOOKING
  CODE CHANGES PERMITTED
  PROVIDED THAT ALL OF THE FOLLOWING
  CONDITIONS ARE MET -
  1. NO CHANGE IN FARE BREAKS
  2. CO FARES ARE USED
  3. PROVATE FARE TARIFFS ARE INCLUDED
  4. VALIDATE ADVANCE RESERVATIONS
  REQUIREMENTS WHEN BOOKING DATE KNOWN
  5. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM REISSUE DATE
  TO DEPARTURE OF THE JOURNEY
  WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN A LOWER FARE REFUND
  RESIDUAL THEN ADD-COLLECT - REFUND VIA
  ORIGINAL FORM OF PAYMENT
  ENDORSEMENT BOX - HIGHER NON-REF AMOUNT
  OR -
  D. CHANGES NOT PERMITTED/REFUND TKT - ANY
  REMAINING AMOUNT WILL APPLY TO NEW TKT
  SECTION 2 - PARTIALLY USED TICKETS -
  AFTER DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY AND WITHIN TKT
  VALIDITY CERTAIN DOMESTIC REISSUE PROVISIONS
  MAY BE OVERRIDDEN BY THOSE OF CO INTERNATIONAL
  FARES
  A. CHANGED FARE COMPONENTS USE FARES IN
  EFFECT TODAY
  A1. ALL OTHERS USE CURRENTLY TKTD FARE
  PROVIDED THAT ALL OF THE FOLLOWING
  CONDITIONS ARE MET -
  1. NO CHANGE TO THE FARE BREAKS UP TO THE
  FIRST CHANGED FARE COMPONENT
  2. FULLY FLOWN FARE NOT REPRICED TO
  FURTHER POINT
  3. CO FARES ARE USED
  4. PRIVATE TARIFFS ARE INCLUDED
  5. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS
  ARE MET
  6. VALIDATE ADVANCE RES REQUIREMENTS WHEN
  BOOKING DATE IS KNOWN
  7. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM REISSUE DATE
  TO DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
  WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN A LOWER FARE REFUND
  RESIDUAL THEN ADD-COLLECT - REFUND VIA
  ORIGINAL FORM OF PAYMENT
  ENDORSEMENT BOX - HIGHER NON-REF AMOUNT
  OR -
  B. CHANGED FARE COMPONENTS USING FARES IN
  EFFECT WHEN THE TICKET WAS ISSUED
  B1. UNCHANGED FARE COMPONENTS USING
  CURRENTLY TICKETED FARES
  PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS
  ARE MET -
  1. NO CHANGE TO THE FARE BREAKS
  2. FULLY FLOWN FARE NOT REPRICED TO A
  FURTHER POINT
  3. CO FARES ARE USED
  4. PRIVATE FARE TARIFFS ARE INCLUDED
  5. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS
  ARE MET
  6. VALIDATE ADVANCE RES REQUIREMENTS WHEN
  BOOKING DATE IS KNOWN
  7. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT
  DATE TO DEPARTURE OF THE JOURNEY
  WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN A LOWER FARE REFUND
  RESIDUAL THE ADD-COLLECT - REFUND VIA
  ORIGINAL FORM OF PAYMENT
  ENDORSEMENT BOX - HIGHER NON-REF AMOUNT
  OR -
  C. CHANGES NOT PERMITTED/REFUND TKT - ANY
  REMAINING AMOUNT WILL APPLY TO NEW TKT

  GENERAL RULE - APPLY UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED
  CANCELLATIONS

  PER TICKET CHARGE USD 150.00 FOR LOST TICKET.
  NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
  NO SERVICE CHARGE WILL BE IMPOSED FOR MILITARY
  PASSENGERS WHEN TRANSPORTATION IS PAID WITH A U.S.
  GOVERNMENT TRANSPORTATION REQUEST FORM NO. 1169.

HIP_MILEAGE_EXCEPTIONS : NO HIP OR MILEAGE EXCEPTIONS APPLY.

TICKET_ENDORSEMENTS : THE ORIGINAL TICKET MUST BE ANNOTATED - /-REFUNDABLE-/
  - IN THE ENDORSEMENT BOX.

CHILDREN_DISCOUNTS : 1ST INF/INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2 - NO
  CHARGE.
  MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME
  COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR 18 OR OLDER.
  OR - INS/INFANT WITH A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2 - CHARGE 100
  PERCENT OF THE FARE.
  MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME
  COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR 18 OR OLDER.

TOUR_CONDUCTOR_DISCOUNTS : NO DISCOUNTS FOR TOUR CONDUCTORS.

AGENT_DISCOUNTS : NO DISCOUNTS FOR SALE AGENTS.

ALL_OTHER_DISCOUNTS : SRC/SENIOR CITIZEN PSGR - NO DISCOUNT.

MISCELLANEOUS_PROVISIONS : NO PROVISIONS APPLY.

GROUPS : NO GROUP PROVISIONS APPLY.

TOURS : NO TOUR PROVISIONS APPLY.

VISIT_ANOTHER_COUNTRY : NO VISIT ANOTHER COUNTRY PROVISIONS APPLY.

DEPOSITS : NO DEPOSIT PROVISIONS APPLY.

RULE_APPLICATION_AND_OTHER_CONDITIONS : NORMAL FARES
  APPLICATION
  CLASS OF SERVICE
  THESE FARES APPLY FOR FIRST/BUSINESS/COACH/OFF
  PEAK COACH CLASS SERVICE.
  TYPES OF TRANSPORTATION
  THIS RULE ALSO APPLIES TO JOINT TRANSPORTATION.
  CAPACITY LIMITATIONS
  SEATS ARE LIMITED.
  VIA B/H/K/L/Q/V TYPE FARES WITHIN THE CONT. U.S.
  SEATS ARE LIMITED.

ELIGIBILITY : NO ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS APPLY.

DAY_TIME : NO DAY/TIME TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS APPLY.

SEASONALITY : NO SEASONAL TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS APPLY.

FLIGHT_APPLICATION : NO FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS APPLY.

ADVANCE_RESERVATIONS_TICKETING : CONFIRMED RESERVATIONS ARE REQUIRED FOR ALL SECTORS.
  NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
  STANDBY PERMITTED AT NO CHARGE FOR EARLIER/LATER
  SAME DAY FLIGHTS.

MINIMUM_STAY : NO MINIMUM STAY REQUIREMENTS APPLY.

MAXIMUM_STAY : NO MAXIMUM STAY REQUIREMENTS APPLY.

STOPOVERS : NO STOPOVERS PERMITTED.
  NO STOPOVER OCCURS IF PASSENGER TAKES NEXT
  AVAILABLE FLIGHT WITHIN 4 HOURS.

TRANSFERS : UNLIMITED TRANSFERS PERMITTED. - SURFACE AT FARE BREAK
  AND EMBEDDED SECTORS PERMITTED EXCEPT FOR PRICING UNITS
  WITHIN/BETWEEN US AND CANADA - INCLUDING PR/USV1 -
  SURFACE AT FARE BREAK IS NOT PERMITTED.

COMBINATIONS : ADD-ONS NOT PERMITTED.
  FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS WITH
  ANY FARE FOR ANY CARRIER IN ANY RULE AND TARIFF TO
  FORM SINGLE/DOUBLE OPEN JAWS/2-COMPONENT ROUND TRIPS/
  MULTI-COMPONENT CIRCLE TRIPS.
  END-ON-END
  END-ON-END COMBINATIONS PERMITTED. VALIDATE ADJACENT
  LINE OF FLIGHT FARE COMPONENTS ONLY. TRAVEL MUST BE
  VIA THE POINT OF COMBINATION.
  PROVIDED -
  COMBINATIONS ARE FOR ANY CARRIER IN ANY RULE IN
  TARIFF
  CPR    - BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES-CANADA
  DFR    - WITHIN THE UNITED STATES
  FBRNAPV - WITHIN NORTH AMERICA.
  COMBINATIONS ARE FOR CARRIER CO IN ANY RULE IN ANY
  TARIFF.
  NOTE - THE CITY PAIRS BELOW ARE CONSIDERED THE SAME
  POINT -
  EFD-HOU  EFD-IAH  HOU-IAH  IAD-DCA  LGA-JFK
  MDW-ORD

BLACKOUT_DATES : NO BLACKOUT DATES APPLY.

SURCHARGES : NO SURCHARGE REQUIREMENTS APPLY.

ACCOMPANIED_TRAVEL : ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL NOT REQUIRED.

TRAVEL_RESTRICTIONS : NO TRAVEL DATE RESTRICTIONS APPLY.

SALES_RESTRICTIONS : FARE RULE
  NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
  TICKETS ARE NON-TRANSFERABLE. TO PURCHASE OR
  RESELL THIS TICKET FROM/TO ANY ENTITY OTHER THAN
  CONTINENTAL AIRLINES INC. OR ITS AUTHORIZED AGENTS
  IS NOT PERMITTED.  PASSENGERS WILL BE ASKED FOR
  PHOTO I.D. AT TIME OF FLIGHT CHECK-IN.  IF THE
  NAME ON THE TICKET AND THE PASSENGERS I.D. DO NOT
  MATCH THE PASSENGER WILL BE REQUIRED TO SURRENDER
  THE TICKET AND PURCHASE THE APPLICABLE FARE FOR
  THE DEPARTING FLIGHT.

  GENERAL RULE - APPLY UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED
  TICKETS MAY BE ISSUED BY PTA. PTA CONSTITUTES
  TICKETING.
  TICKETS MAY NOT BE SOLD IN VENEZUELA.
  NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
  EXTENSION OF TICKET VALIDITY PERMITTED UNDER
  GUIDELINES SET FORTH BY CARRIER.  CONTACT
  CARRIER FOR DETAILS.

TommyC80 Apr 28, 2009 6:07 pm
Originally Posted by KVS (Post 11661414)
A much better alternative to "wondering" is reading fare rules :)
Yeah I know.. I didn't really think about until after I paid for the ticket and there isn't a way to see the fare rules after this point. But thanks for the jab ;)

srodr Apr 28, 2009 9:01 pm
Originally Posted by TommyC80 (Post 11661428)
...I didn't really think about until after I paid for the ticket and there isn't a way to see the fare rules after this point.
Yeah, what's that all about? Is there a valid reason that you can't see the fare rules after purchasing? It makes no sense.

TommyC80 Apr 28, 2009 9:08 pm
Originally Posted by srodr (Post 11662230)
Yeah, what's that all about? Is there a valid reason that you can't see the fare rules after purchasing? It makes no sense.
It's a real PIA...I may have to start cutting and pasting them into a file when I book tix in the future.

ralfp Apr 29, 2009 3:25 pm
Originally Posted by TommyC80 (Post 11662264)
It's a real PIA...I may have to start cutting and pasting them into a file when I book tix in the future.
I dunno about Peoria, but it is a real PITA. :) I print the fare rules to PDF every time I buy a ticket. Rarely do I have to look them up, but it's really nice to have.

I just tried to convince my brother and his SO to keep a PDF/whatnot of the rules a few days ago, but they just got annoyed... of well. At least I got the SO to sign up for DEQM; she'll get Silver out of the trip.


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