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not enough info is known IMO
all too often a Passenger will go way over board, yet at the same time a member of the Flight Crew will do exactly the same and throw the Flag down with the "interference BS" when its not called for. Unfortunately both sides get carried away way more then they should |
Originally Posted by craz
(Post 11130113)
not enough info is known IMO
all too often a Passenger will go way over board, yet at the same time a member of the Flight Crew will do exactly the same and throw the Flag down with the "interference BS" when its not called for. Unfortunately both sides get carried away way more then they should However it is the authorities who make the final decision, and not always goes in favor of the airline. That is why I think (IMO) He did and said a little more than the paper says. |
Originally Posted by craz
(Post 11130113)
not enough info is known IMO
all too often a Passenger will go way over board, yet at the same time a member of the Flight Crew will do exactly the same and throw the Flag down with the "interference BS" when its not called for. Unfortunately both sides get carried away way more then they should True...but even when both parties have gotten carried away, it's extremely rare for a flight to divert for this reason - and even rarer still that the offending passenger is arrested (much less prosecuted, convicted, and sentanced to jail!) for his behavior. Not enough information was given in the article, but I will assume that whatever he did had to be pretty darn bad for all of that to happen. It seems pretty unlikely that the FAs, pilots, arresting officers, and judge/jury ALL overreacted to an unruly passenger. |
Originally Posted by flymeaway
(Post 11130249)
True...but even when both parties have gotten carried away, it's extremely rare for a flight to divert for this reason - and even rarer still that the offending passenger is arrested (much less prosecuted, convicted, and sentanced to jail!) for his behavior. Not enough information was given in the article, but I will assume that whatever he did had to be pretty darn bad for all of that to happen. It seems pretty unlikely that the FAs, pilots, arresting officers, and judge/jury ALL overreacted to an unruly passenger.
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Originally Posted by Chicken or Beef
(Post 11130076)
Nor I would take a lawyer's. I guess we are even.
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Originally Posted by craz
(Post 11130113)
not enough info is known IMO
all too often a Passenger will go way over board, yet at the same time a member of the Flight Crew will do exactly the same and throw the Flag down with the "interference BS" when its not called for. Unfortunately both sides get carried away way more then they should |
Originally Posted by PTravel
(Post 11130377)
Exactly. For what it's worth, I've encountered over-the-top FA behavior far more than over-the-top PAX behavior. However, as you note, there is nowhere near enough information provided in the article to determine what happened.
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This is kind of overboard. I've had drinks spilled on me before, and received a check back from Continental for the dry cleaning costs.
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From a press release from the DOJ:
"United States Attorney Johnny Sutton and FBI Special Agent in Charge David Cuthbertson announced the filing of a federal criminal complaint in Midland, Texas, this afternoon charging 44-year-old Arthur David Proskin with interfering with a flight crew by assault or intimidation. According to the complaint, Proskin was a passenger last night on Continental Airlines flight 2116 traveling from Houston, Texas, to Palm Springs, CA. During the flight, Proskin allegedly became irate and yelled obscenities at a flight attendant, and subsequently at other passengers, after he was struck in the knee by the attendants beverage service cart. Because of Proskin’s actions, response from other passengers, fear of an escalating situation that could turn physically violent and for the safety of all passengers on board the flight, the pilots diverted to Midland International Airport and made an unscheduled stop at approximately 8:00pm. Proskin was removed from the plane and eventually placed in federal custody. No one was physically injured during the incident." http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/txw/press_...08/Proskin.pdf Interestingly, he appears to have had an outstanding 3-year-old arrest warrant for a drug offense (intent to distribute a look-alike substantce) pending: http://www.peoriacounty.org/sheriff....eNoI=06CF00652 |
Originally Posted by Chicken or Beef
(Post 11130429)
How often do you travel? That is funny, for me is the opposite;)
Accordingly, and particularly after reading the DOJ summary of the complaint, I'm unwilling to credit either side without substantially more information. |
Originally Posted by PTravel
(Post 11130368)
Not exactly. My posts didn't contain TOS violations. Yours does and has been reported.
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Originally Posted by Chicken or Beef
(Post 11130522)
Which of my post contain TOS violations?
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Originally Posted by PTravel
(Post 11130545)
Smarmy digs at my profession are irrelevant to this discussion and constitute personal attacks. I'm sure the mods will be happy to explain it to you.
Well I'm a fa so you took the first shot. |
Originally Posted by Chicken or Beef
(Post 11130617)
Well I'm sure the Mods will want to talk to you first, since it was you who wrote First "I will not accept an FA's judgment in this regard,"
Well I'm a fa so you took the first shot. |
Will you two take it the .... outside?
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