Acy
 

Does anyone know why CO left ACY and is there any chance of them coming back considering traffic is up by 30% and EWR needs some refief (Not that ACY will do much)

I am not sure they have room but Continental could do a good business at ACY. I know many people south of exit 109 like me that would much rather go to ACY then EWR. I like EWR it's just the hold ups taking off and landing are getting very old.

I definitely agree. The question is would people be willing to go some places through ACY->CLE rather than straight from EWR?

ACY is going to mostly pull from PHL traffic, and from EWR traffic to a lesser extent. CO won't fly there for the same reason that they don't fly to TTN. Based on where they'd be going (CLE and IAH as a VERY remote possibility) they figure their pax are more likely to go via EWR or just deal with the connection that they'll have out of PHL anyways. For the folks who who raather fly out of ACY than EWR, PHL is the other option that CO makes available. I doubt that CO is losing all that much business by not having service there.

ACY= Atlantic City, before anyone (FCTSTY) asks.

CO in ACY had everything against them.

To start the flights were at terrible times. They were not convenient for weekend AC trips and made for some long connection times.

Also the fligts were rediculously over priced. If you wanted to go to Atlantic city from cleveland it was like three to five times more than going to vegas. seriously. the prices were insane. This made the flights only connecting passengers in CLE didnt give any chance for O&D on the route. If continental had tried with more convenient times and cheaper fares they would have succeeded in ACY. I think the boost 30% you say is that DL has had great success in ACY even adding service to MCO non-stop and the area is growing. DL has much much more resonable fares out of ACY than continental had and much better timed flights actually giving the routes a chance to succeed.

another thing i think why DL has done so well in ACY and CO failed was that CO operated to the very small and limited CLE hub as DL is operating service to its super hub in ATL. DL actually cancelled the CVG flights and changed them to ATL and mco flights.

also i think TTN would be better for CO than ACY. Northern NJ is just full of CO FFs and looking for an alternate to EWR. I would definitly try TTN over newarks hours of delays sitting on the runway sometimes. ACY is not a real alternative to EWR and is a completely different market as it is far away and is really more of an alternate to PHL than it is to EWR. In the summer too it is way too far away with all that parkway traffic to be an alternate. I think CO would be fantastic in TTN and could survive in ACY if they tried with cheaper fares and well timed flights as people in south jersey need an airport as the recent passenger numbers are showing

Acy/ttn
 

I think CO would more likely bring service to ACY than they would TTN.

After all, DL is currently servicing TTN now.

I'd rather see CO expand PHL operations before exploring ACY (or TTN) routes.

TTN would simply be to please FFs in northern NJ with a less crowded, closer to your house alternate such as how CO serves multiple houston airports and how UA flys out of carlsbad california and AA services DAL etc etc. I agree with you though since DL seems to be doing well out of TTN no reason to put this on the priority list, but as EWR delays are getting worse and awful it is something that in the future might be a big hit to please high revenue FFs

From what I can gather, only the TTN-BOS flights are doing well. It seems that they have discontinued the TTN-ATL flight as of June 7. Two flights show up in Delta's flight schedule after June 7 but no frequency is listed. I could only book a TTN-ATL flight by making a connection in BOS. Someone on the Delta board said the last ATL flight he was on had 5 passengers. V

Very disappointing. I was hoping to fly from there in June. But, I do believe the Boston flights are doing well. They seem close to full when I have done some spot checking.

CO doesn't fly to HOU. They only offer service to IAH. However, they offer IAH service to EWR, JFK, and LGA. However, DL does service both IAH and HOU, but I'd bet HOU is limited to ATL service and not SLC....at least I've never seen HOU-SLC service all the times I have looked.

There are plenty of CO FF's im Monmouth and Ocean County who would travel to ACY, 3 daily ERJ's to CLE from ACY and 3 daily DH-8-200s from TTN also to CLE.

It would give CO fliers another option.

AA services both IAH and HOU as well (with HOU flights going to DFW only).

i think that's the point. would continental (CO) simply cannibilize their newark (EWR) business by offering atlantic city (ACY) flights?

Wonder WHY they got rid of PHL-EWR :td: :td: :td:

Not to mention anything that can be done to reduce congestion at Newark is important. Why further clog your airspace with little planes to Philadelphia when you can partner with Amtrak and build a station at Newark Airport. Smart move on Continental's part there.

I was waiting for somebody to say, "why would Continental canibalize their Newark hub" with flights at Atlantic City, Trenton, and elsewhere. Glad to see I wasn't the only one thinking about that. Continental wants to drive traffic to Newark and strengthen the hub, not weaken it.

that someone was me. ;)

Yes, you and I must have been awake that day in Business School class. :) :cool:

ooohhhhhh...fight....FIGHT!!!!

I don't know, them fightin' words in my neighborhood... ^ ^ ^ :D

I'm sure that the abysmal on-time performance had something to do with it. I was ticketed on CO2344 a few times and never actually took it due to delays and cancellations. When things got bad at EWR that was one of the first flights to get canceled. Unfortunately, many of the pax with BF connections to Europe were stuck for a day as by the time they were at PHL it was too late to get onto Amtrak and make it to EWR for their flights.

A few RJs flying out of ACY and TNN is not really canabalizing. it would not even put a dent in CO huge EWR operation

Thats why best case scenario CO can connect a few people who want an easy to use airport thru CLE, strengthen that hub, and also fill those seats people would have taken out of EWR. There is a potential to make even more money here but i think it would just be a nice gesture for CO to offer this as an alternateto EWRs irritating and often delays. DL offering service though to both makes it alot less likely for the service to ever come back or start :(

I think an expansion of US Helicopter from ACY and/or Trenton to the Wall Street Heliport to feed the morning and evening departures to both EWR and JFK.

The service could be cross subsidized by New Yorkers going to the Borgata. Plus give flexability of access to JFK and EWR with a quick connect at Wall Street.

It will never happen but it's an idea.

Another central NJ vote for ACY (not that it matters). Depending on cost, ACY might provide a phl alternative... some might pay a premium vs. PHL where CO competes with WN.

I was just thinking the same thing a couple of weeks ago while I was stuck in traffic driving back from AC to Northern NJ. I think a NYC->AC helicopter would do well. Didn't Trump have one for a while?

With everything going on with US Airways right now, every week its another "hiccup," this week its the pilot seniority list, I don't think anybody really thinks of US as a long-term major competitor, I think Southwest is the bigger concern / threat. Sure, US can sell some cheap fares, but will the high-yield pax continue to put up with another new inconvenience every week, for how long?