But is that not why they bring you bags of pillows and cartons of unopened milk? ;)

Correct me if I am mistaken, but IIRC AA's 767's offer 2-1-2 configuration, 62" pitch and 19.0" wide seat in F but 2-2-2, 50" pitch and 18.5" wide seat in J(only .7" wider than Y :eek: ).

Continental offers a 2-1-2 configuration, 55" pitch and 21" wide seat -- effectively offering more than AA's old C class (I don't know much about their new J).

FWIW, UA offers a 2-1-2 configuration, 64" pitch and a 20" wide seat in F and a 2-2-2 configuration, 55" pitch and 19" wide seat in C.

Both UA and AA send only two class planes to Hawaii. AA offers EITHER a 767 with 60" pitch OR a 757 with 38" pitch. AA offers EITHER a 777, 767 and 757, all with 38" pitch. No international configurations.

oooooooohhhh :footinmouth:

Thanks for clearing me up. :)

A quick follow up question: back in the day when I flew over to HNL I was on an AA DC-10 out of DFW and I think the seating was the old domestic FC style (perhaps like the 757 w/ 38" pitch) -- but for a 60" pitch J/C class cabin, why would AA not use their 2 class 767s on international markets?

They do. They use them mostly for international markets (USA->Europe/SouthAmerica). They also use them for Hawaii.

Just completed Continental flight 12 from Honolulu to Los Angeles. Though Co.com said a full meal would be served, I knew better, expecting a soup and sandwich.

Here's a picture of the meal (I ask that these images please not be reproduced):
http://slippahs.smugmug.com/gallery/1161898/1/46183158

And, a picture of the seating:
http://slippahs.smugmug.com/gallery/733724/2/46183759

Continental's BF product gives me the best sleep ever. Great service all around.

You Got chocolates?? I didn't get 'em!.

Seriously, just flew IAH/HNL on 11/12. Full meal service (including the rack of lamb!). Return on 11/22 HNL/IAH, had only the sandwich and soup (flight departed at 8:45PM) and NO Chocolate http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/images/icons/icon9.gif

I just spent two glorious weeks in Hawaii on my honeymoon. Flew LAX-HNL on CO 3 and back HNL-EWR on CO 14. The outbound flight had 35 BF seats and was fantastic, especially so because we had just flown on AA MIA-LAX in F and it sucked.

I got a call from someone at CO on the morning of my departure (last day of my honeymoon) telling me that I was bumped off the direct flight was re-routed via LAX. They said the reason was that when I booked the flights they were using a 764 with 35 BF seats, but the new equipment would only have 20. The flight was under HNL control, so there was nothing the CSA could do. Needless to say, I was livid. My guess is the GA in HNL bumped us because we were using miles. After a few phone calls, I flat out told the GA (over the phone) that I was on my honeymoon and that if they bumped me to the LAX flight I would never fly CO again. I felt bad for her because she had to bump 15 people but I made it VERY clear that I would not be one of them. I got her name and told her I would write a letter explaining that she was responsible for me taking my business elsewhere. I definitely bullied her, but there was no way I was stopping in LA.

Long story short, I spoke to a CSA manager and told her to document my threat to never fly CO again (I have given CO over $35k so far this year) if I was re-routed. They called me back 2 hours later and told me I was back on the original flight and apologized for the inconvenience.

Good to see you back, BigPoppa!
 

Good form! Glad to hear everything worked out ^

AA uses the 767-300 (two-class) on some LAX and SFO-HNL flights as well as ORD and DFW flights. They are the int'l configuration 2-2-2 with 60" pitch. The 757 is also used on some LAX/SFO-HNL flights. The 62" 2-1-2 F service is the 767-200 used only on JFK-LAX/SFO and a daily JFK-BDA-JFK and JFK-MIA-JFK flight.

CO should just standardize on the 35BF configuration for the 764 instead of having a separate config for CO Mike 764 (20BF). CO has indicated that they keep the 777 at 48BF - need it for Asia, but not for Europe - but want to keep a single configuration. Somehow they did not apply the rule here.

I think the big diff is that CO Mike keeps their equipment on their routes exclusively unless a need comes to re-route planes. (The various maint runs to HKG, etc) The 777's on the other hand all operate the same 777 routes, It's not unusual for a 777 to do CDG-EWR-HKG for example. This gives them a lot more scheduling flexibility.

Also, the 764 for CO Mike have to make money on more lower-fare routes than the true Int'l planes to. That means having more real Y to sell is a good idea, if the planes stay on those routes.

I did something pretty similar a few years back when CO switched the HNL -EWR flight from the DC-10 to the 764. CO called the morning to advise that I (and three others) had been switced from the nonstop to the HNL-LAX-EWR flight. I was on the phone with them for over an hour and since she mentioned that they started making calls in an alpha order and my last name starts with "A" I would take me and my company business elsewhere. I got a call back about two hours later saying that my flight was intact.

You'd be surprised how high the fares are on some of those "lower-fare" routes in the Micronesia Market - they charge a premium to fly to in Microneisa - considering they are some of the only air service into GUM...

from continental.com right now... (all flights are lowest available coach)
example: 4/17-5/7 (with taxes)

HNL-GUM-MNL 1074.00
EWR-HNL-GUM-MNL 1174.00

You basically paid 100.00 less to depart from newark - which is nearly 5000 miles farther away.

GUM-MNL-GUM in Y 661.00
thats only 1600 miles to fly you could fly to London for cheaper next weekend!

GUM-CNS-GUM - 2100 miles - 661.00
compare to
EWR-PHX-EWR - 2133 miles - 317.00

It's amazing what competition does - Continental Micronesia has virtually no competition. I am sure there are other factors that play into fares, but the generalized statement is people in Micronesia pay MORE per mile. They are not Low Fare Passengers.

-Vincent

First, I would like to say that it is very suprising that CO changed CO14 to a 20BF config 764 rather than the flights to either LAX or IAH because of yields and flexibility (CO14's 764 continues to Europe after arriving to EWR). Secondly, the 20BF config 764 is a better fit for the Micronesia market because the extra BF seats are not neccessary, since it's primarily a leisure destination.