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Originally Posted by UA-NYC
(Post 15261092)
What part of the EXACT dates and route I JUST supplied you can't you comprehend? 1. Go to CO.com. 2. Plug in ANY outbound CO flight from EWR-ORD on 12/8, and 3. ANY return on 12/10. 4. Your near-$1,000 fare is generated. Fly UA metal from LGA, it's in the low $200s. This is of course one data point, but it's backed up like many others (like the TOD upgrades that you deny)
Yes, if you select EWR then it is more expensive. If you type in NYC-ORD you get options for both LGA and EWR and you get the lower fare. Again, if you are limiting the MARKET - not the AIRLINE - you will see a different fare. It has absolutely nothing to do with the operating carrier in this case. AA is happy to charge the same, high price to EWR. Should we blame them, too?
Originally Posted by UA-NYC
(Post 15261092)
Please stop twisting around my words to support your increasingly flawed arguments.
If you search NYC-ORD, as you stated before, on co.com you will see the lower priced options available with LGA departures. http://millerworks.smugmug.com/photo...00_fqmme-M.jpg I am not disputing that EWR is more expensive, particularly without 3 nights or a Saturday night stay in many markets. But that phenomenon is affecting all the carriers in that market, not just CO. And where CO needs to be more competitive they are. Hence my statement that it isn't CO v. UA like you previously asserted. |
Originally Posted by UA-NYC
(Post 15260021)
Not just transcons...planning a NYC-ORD trip in a couple weeks, UA is $230, CO is just under $1K. Off-peak days & times too. Yikes.
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Originally Posted by sbm12
(Post 15261230)
(bolding mine)
Yes, if you select EWR then it is more expensive. If you type in NYC-ORD you get options for both LGA and EWR and you get the lower fare. Again, if you are limiting the MARKET - not the AIRLINE - you will see a different fare. It has absolutely nothing to do with the operating carrier in this case. AA is happy to charge the same, high price to EWR. Should we blame them, too? At no point in any of your previous posts did you say "co.com" nor did you say that you were searching only from EWR. You stated "NYC-ORD" and you differentiated only between CO and UA, the airlines, not the booking sites. If you search NYC-ORD, as you stated before, on co.com you will see the lower priced options available with LGA departures. http://millerworks.smugmug.com/photo...00_fqmme-M.jpg I am not disputing that EWR is more expensive, particularly without 3 nights or a Saturday night stay in many markets. But that phenomenon is affecting all the carriers in that market, not just CO. And where CO needs to be more competitive they are. Hence my statement that it isn't CO v. UA like you previously asserted. AA's a false argument as you can fly them for $200 to NYC - just has to be LGA vs. EWR. Same on UA. Actually flying CO, your only option is the $1,000 fare. It's just very amusing that they can charge 3-4x the price for a coach experience that is arguably pretty substandard to every other option ex-NYC. And out of principle, I'm not going to buy a B fare and steal an UG from a more well deserving PPlat or Plat on M or lower fares. :D |
The problem with EWR-ORD on CO or UA happens when you mix 2 items:
1) Less than 2 week advance booking 2) Less than a 3 night stay I traveled this route nearly every week Feb-May. I now have to go back for Dec-Jan and almost fell out of my chair searching for fares until I remembered point #2. I live 15 min from EWR and prefer to spend an extra night in Chicago so I can get the cheaper fair (my company nor me is going to pony up the $500 EWR-LGA difference) rather than get back from LGA in the evening. I almost always spend more time in the car than on the plane. |
what website is that longer screenshot from?
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Originally Posted by iquitos
(Post 15267227)
what website is that screenshot from?
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Originally Posted by UA-NYC
(Post 15262142)
Let's not pretend that CO selling you a ticket and you flying on CO metal are the same thing. Good for CO if they somehow can fill their planes on $1,000 fares when there are plenty of options 20 miles away at 1/3 that price.
AA's a false argument as you can fly them for $200 to NYC - just has to be LGA vs. EWR. Same on UA. Actually flying CO, your only option is the $1,000 fare. It's just very amusing that they can charge 3-4x the price for a coach experience that is arguably pretty substandard to every other option ex-NYC. And out of principle, I'm not going to buy a B fare and steal an UG from a more well deserving PPlat or Plat on M or lower fares. :D Ive flown to SAN when LA was where I was heading $300 savings and cheaper car rental to boot. Flown to ONT when LAS was my destin But EWR is a hard sell as the parking isnt cheap (ok compared to LGA & JFK it is but then I can street park by those 2) and as you have shown usually alot more $$$ and Nothing IMO to show for it Ive even found that on Intl tkts JFK usually beats EWR hands down as well, so EWR has become aplace I use when Im flying on an Award tkt :D only |
Originally Posted by UA-NYC
(Post 15261092)
Please stop twisting around my words to support your increasingly flawed arguments.
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Looks like co.com dropped some fares NYC - LAX.
Purchased flights the other week for next week for a price of over $1,000. As of today same exact flights (now less than 7 days out) are under 300. Oh well. You win some, you lose some. |
I usually fly into Newark for business. Pleasure travel is another issue. After trying to find a gas station prior to returning the rental car was almost surreal.
In any case, I am looking forward to watching fares IAH-EWR after Southwest starts flying non-stops in March, 2011. I expect it to erode CO's high fares significantly. |
Originally Posted by HoustonFlyGuy
(Post 15272317)
In any case, I am looking forward to watching fares IAH-EWR after Southwest starts flying non-stops in March, 2011. I expect it to erode CO's high fares significantly.
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Originally Posted by golfingboy
(Post 15258073)
Correct, but upon checking the SAN-JFK flights, you will see that DL is using the 75Es [ex-TWA birds] with business elite seats. But, since SAN-JFK is not covered in the transcontinental BusinessElite program, passengers on this flight will experience the standard DL domestic F service. That sucks, because ALL of the SAN-JFK flights are using the 75Es, but that is probably seasonal and in the summer those birds will probably return to their usual TATL missions.
Looking forward to try UA p.s. one day... Also I am waitlisted for an upgrade on a DL LAX-JFK flight, but highly doubt I will get it... |
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