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Originally Posted by radonc1
(Post 13749015)
The second issue is the cost of travel. I agree that the fares I am seeing have escalated over the past several months. But here is the rub. IF a company cannot make money on their business plan, they go out of business. I have not seen CO making buckets of money over the past 4 quarters (In fact, they are still losing it although their cash flow is positive). So, they need to charge a price for their services which will allow them to make a profit, or suffer the same fate as prior airlines that did not make money. You will pay more to fly. Sorry to tell you that :(. I don't see how $320-$500 is outrageous for a business trip between AUS and EWR. Fares were commonly that high in the late 70's and early 80's WITHOUT adjusting for inflation. We have had a decade of artificially low airfares due to 9/11 and generally poor economic conditions. Now, it's time for the airlines to be able to make a reasonable profit. If you don't like CO, fly someone else. After all, it's a free market! |
Originally Posted by transportbiz
sbm12 can probably answer this, but hasn't B6 been invited or thought might be invited to become a member of *A?
As to the OP's post, sorry but CO is probably not your best bet to expect an upgrade. |
Originally Posted by I_Hate_US_Airways
(Post 13750229)
THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTION FOR FIRST CLASS*, PERIOD!
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Originally Posted by formeraa
(Post 13751844)
I don't see how $320-$500 is outrageous for a business trip between AUS and EWR. Fares were commonly that high in the late 70's and early 80's WITHOUT adjusting for inflation. We have had a decade of artificially low airfares due to 9/11 and generally poor economic conditions. Now, it's time for the airlines to be able to make a reasonable profit.
It wasn't too bad after I finally earned my NW Silver status and I would get the upgrade at booking. Then DL introduced their "Simplifares" in early 2005, which capped domestic tickets at around $1,200 RT. CO reduced AUS-EWR to that level but made it an H fare (today's B fare) so no more auto upgrades. Anyway, advance purchase nonstop fares from AUS to EWR are normally very reasonable these days. However, I do sympathize with the OP on upgrades out of AUS. In 2008 and 2009 I was 39/45 for upgrades on CO. All but one of my misses were between AUS and IAH. The other one was between AUS and EWR. |
Originally Posted by MShea74
(Post 13752654)
The best approach...is to ALWAYS do a connection while not deluding oneself into a false belief as to how "important" one's time is. You will then see non-stop and connection prices be exactly equal...
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Originally Posted by emcsweeney
(Post 13752931)
Why in the world would I fly SEA-EWR non-stop, when I can pick up an extra 1000 miles by connecting in IAH? :p
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Originally Posted by IAHtraveler
(Post 13752949)
Just to split hairs because I can: It's only an extra 872 miles, unless you factor in elite bonuses :D
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Originally Posted by AAExPlat
(Post 13748969)
So to summarize...can't get an ug out of or into AUS, can't same day change, tickets are very expensive.
I've been debating for some time whether I would shoot to requalify for Plat or Gold this year. This morning, I got my answer. It'll be Gold for me. After all, I am not getting upgraded anyway, so the difference between Gold and Plat is negligible. To requal for Gold, I think I need to book one or two more roundtrips through the end of year, and I'll be done. It's unfortunate...I like flying CO, and I like award redemption on Star partners, but the benefits just are not good enough to give them enough business to be Plat in the future. When I fly CO, I'm one of those people that, for the most part, fly on Y, B or M fares. I wouldn't do that if CO made it easy to upgrade like AA. Clearly, CO is doing the right thing with these fares. I was glad to see CO create the elite-for-life program; strangely, once you hit Gold, I have to ask if there's any genuine benefit to sticking with CO? As Gold, one can buy upgrades and get the exit row by booking early. I don't expect to get upgraded if I don't buy a full fare, so I try not to fly CO on discounted coach fares. M-UPs for PE's isn't enough, not now that I have lived the EXP life on AA! My relationship with CO is now purely transactional. The downside for CO is that, with elite for life, it tips the balance in my favor: I have to be loyal to AA to get into the front cabin; CO has to be loyal to me if they want me to pay a premium. If I'm not happy with CO--and because the relationship is now transactional, I tend to be more sensitized to problems--I fly elsewhere. I have a strong affinity for Continental, but it's no longer loyalty. CO is now number 3 after AA and DL. |
Originally Posted by IAHtraveler
(Post 13749395)
I think the transcons and IAH-LAX/SFO are the most difficult, but that's just my opinion.
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Originally Posted by radonc1
(Post 13749640)
So, yes you can fly JB with the bells and whistles but just don't wind up in an irreg op situation with them, or want some of the above described FFP benefits.
Originally Posted by TWA Fan 1
(Post 13749903)
We purchased 3 roundtrips on B6 leaving two days after the booking, for a roundtrip cost of 19,200 points each.
It was a great trip, which would have been essentially impossible on a legacy carrier's ff program... I think most carriers' inventory management systems are sophisticated enough to dump award seats close in if flights are not going to fill. That's pretty basic these days. |
Originally Posted by channa
(Post 13754459)
I've redeemed Saver awards 1 day prior to departure. Why is that essentially impossible on a legacy carrier? I think most carriers' inventory management systems are sophisticated enough to dump award seats close in if flights are not going to fill. That's pretty basic these days. |
Originally Posted by craz
(Post 13754513)
I find that they release them after the Free tkting period has ended or its now 20 days to the flight date so they will start dinging us with the Fees as it gets closer the fee goes up. Like at 22 days out they really thought they sell out the pretty empty plane while now at 20 days out they release the seats feeling they wont sell them.
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Okay...
Originally Posted by sbm12
(Post 13752038)
I can think of several substitutes for first class travel, particularly when there are options for whY travel that quite closely mimic the F experience* on domestic flights.
*I THINK I know what you are thinking, but would be curious to hear your ruminations... |
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Originally Posted by I_Hate_US_Airways
Originally Posted by sbm12
(Post 13752038)
I can think of several substitutes for first class travel, particularly when there are options for whY travel that quite closely mimic the F experience* on domestic flights.
*I THINK I know what you are thinking, but would be curious to hear your ruminations... If you are buying domestic F for the pampering and food then I think you are just living in a dream world. ;) |
Its the stupid 735s
I have flown AUS/EWR on a weekly basis for the last 9 months or so. THe UGs were pretty good actually last year when the route was serviced mostly with 737-700s. Didn't know how good I had it. But early in 2010 it switched to 737-500 and been hell ever since. UGs are very difficult and pretty much impossible if not on a very high fare class. Plus no IFE. CO thinks of itself as a full service airline (or at least used to) but flies 4hr routes with no IFE. At least I've never seen the turkeydog on this route.
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