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formeraa Apr 11, 2010 6:12 pm


Originally Posted by radonc1 (Post 13749015)

The second issue is the cost of travel. I agree that the fares I am seeing have escalated over the past several months. But here is the rub. IF a company cannot make money on their business plan, they go out of business. I have not seen CO making buckets of money over the past 4 quarters (In fact, they are still losing it although their cash flow is positive).
So, they need to charge a price for their services which will allow them to make a profit, or suffer the same fate as prior airlines that did not make money. You will pay more to fly. Sorry to tell you that :(.

+1000000

I don't see how $320-$500 is outrageous for a business trip between AUS and EWR. Fares were commonly that high in the late 70's and early 80's WITHOUT adjusting for inflation. We have had a decade of artificially low airfares due to 9/11 and generally poor economic conditions. Now, it's time for the airlines to be able to make a reasonable profit.

If you don't like CO, fly someone else. After all, it's a free market!

sbm12 Apr 11, 2010 6:51 pm


Originally Posted by transportbiz
sbm12 can probably answer this, but hasn't B6 been invited or thought might be invited to become a member of *A?

As to the OP's post, sorry but CO is probably not your best bet to expect an upgrade.

They haven't been invited to join any alliance and it isn't clear that they will be. B6 is very much on a path to be the AS of the east right now, IMO. They have partnerships of convenience rather than a wholesale alliance membership. Their partnership with AA is very similar to those it has with LH and EI. They don't have particularly good FF integration but I've been led to believe such is coming.

sbm12 Apr 11, 2010 7:06 pm


Originally Posted by I_Hate_US_Airways (Post 13750229)
THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTION FOR FIRST CLASS*, PERIOD!

I can think of several substitutes for first class travel, particularly when there are options for whY travel that quite closely mimic the F experience on domestic flights.

Stripe Apr 11, 2010 9:32 pm


Originally Posted by formeraa (Post 13751844)
I don't see how $320-$500 is outrageous for a business trip between AUS and EWR. Fares were commonly that high in the late 70's and early 80's WITHOUT adjusting for inflation. We have had a decade of artificially low airfares due to 9/11 and generally poor economic conditions. Now, it's time for the airlines to be able to make a reasonable profit.

In 2003 and 2004 I regularly flew nonstop between AUS and EWR. No matter when you bought your ticket the only thing available was full Y at $1,800. And the planes were full. A WSJ story at the time had a list of the 10 most expensive domestic routes and this was near the top.

It wasn't too bad after I finally earned my NW Silver status and I would get the upgrade at booking. Then DL introduced their "Simplifares" in early 2005, which capped domestic tickets at around $1,200 RT. CO reduced AUS-EWR to that level but made it an H fare (today's B fare) so no more auto upgrades.

Anyway, advance purchase nonstop fares from AUS to EWR are normally very reasonable these days. However, I do sympathize with the OP on upgrades out of AUS. In 2008 and 2009 I was 39/45 for upgrades on CO. All but one of my misses were between AUS and IAH. The other one was between AUS and EWR.

emcsweeney Apr 11, 2010 11:09 pm


Originally Posted by MShea74 (Post 13752654)
The best approach...is to ALWAYS do a connection while not deluding oneself into a false belief as to how "important" one's time is. You will then see non-stop and connection prices be exactly equal...

I assume you're referring to doing a MR? Why in the world would I fly SEA-EWR non-stop, when I can pick up an extra 1000 miles by connecting in IAH? :p

IAHtraveler Apr 11, 2010 11:14 pm


Originally Posted by emcsweeney (Post 13752931)
Why in the world would I fly SEA-EWR non-stop, when I can pick up an extra 1000 miles by connecting in IAH? :p

Just to split hairs because I can: It's only an extra 872 miles, unless you factor in elite bonuses :D

emcsweeney Apr 11, 2010 11:18 pm


Originally Posted by IAHtraveler (Post 13752949)
Just to split hairs because I can: It's only an extra 872 miles, unless you factor in elite bonuses :D

You got me :)

ContinentalFan Apr 11, 2010 11:22 pm


Originally Posted by AAExPlat (Post 13748969)
So to summarize...can't get an ug out of or into AUS, can't same day change, tickets are very expensive.

I've been debating for some time whether I would shoot to requalify for Plat or Gold this year. This morning, I got my answer. It'll be Gold for me. After all, I am not getting upgraded anyway, so the difference between Gold and Plat is negligible. To requal for Gold, I think I need to book one or two more roundtrips through the end of year, and I'll be done.

It's unfortunate...I like flying CO, and I like award redemption on Star partners, but the benefits just are not good enough to give them enough business to be Plat in the future.

I face the same challenges as you: I really like Continental, but AA is a much better choice for me. I think that CO is doing things right and filling the front cabin with paying customers is the way to go. I have discovered that it changes my behavior and perception in ways that I don't think I could have predicted.

When I fly CO, I'm one of those people that, for the most part, fly on Y, B or M fares. I wouldn't do that if CO made it easy to upgrade like AA. Clearly, CO is doing the right thing with these fares. I was glad to see CO create the elite-for-life program; strangely, once you hit Gold, I have to ask if there's any genuine benefit to sticking with CO? As Gold, one can buy upgrades and get the exit row by booking early. I don't expect to get upgraded if I don't buy a full fare, so I try not to fly CO on discounted coach fares. M-UPs for PE's isn't enough, not now that I have lived the EXP life on AA!

My relationship with CO is now purely transactional. The downside for CO is that, with elite for life, it tips the balance in my favor: I have to be loyal to AA to get into the front cabin; CO has to be loyal to me if they want me to pay a premium. If I'm not happy with CO--and because the relationship is now transactional, I tend to be more sensitized to problems--I fly elsewhere. I have a strong affinity for Continental, but it's no longer loyalty. CO is now number 3 after AA and DL.

jeauxkewl Apr 12, 2010 8:01 am


Originally Posted by IAHtraveler (Post 13749395)
I think the transcons and IAH-LAX/SFO are the most difficult, but that's just my opinion.

+1, I'm about 2 for 20 IAH-LAX/SFO since this time last year.

channa Apr 12, 2010 8:43 am


Originally Posted by radonc1 (Post 13749640)
So, yes you can fly JB with the bells and whistles but just don't wind up in an irreg op situation with them, or want some of the above described FFP benefits.

As opposed to CO's famed IRROPS handling?



Originally Posted by TWA Fan 1 (Post 13749903)
We purchased 3 roundtrips on B6 leaving two days after the booking, for a roundtrip cost of 19,200 points each.

It was a great trip, which would have been essentially impossible on a legacy carrier's ff program...

I've redeemed Saver awards 1 day prior to departure. Why is that essentially impossible on a legacy carrier?

I think most carriers' inventory management systems are sophisticated enough to dump award seats close in if flights are not going to fill. That's pretty basic these days.

craz Apr 12, 2010 8:51 am


Originally Posted by channa (Post 13754459)

I've redeemed Saver awards 1 day prior to departure. Why is that essentially impossible on a legacy carrier?

I think most carriers' inventory management systems are sophisticated enough to dump award seats close in if flights are not going to fill. That's pretty basic these days.

I find that they release them after the Free tkting period has ended or its now 20 days to the flight date so they will start dinging us with the Fees as it gets closer the fee goes up. Like at 22 days out they really thought they sell out the pretty empty plane while now at 20 days out they release the seats feeling they wont sell them.

channa Apr 12, 2010 9:08 am


Originally Posted by craz (Post 13754513)
I find that they release them after the Free tkting period has ended or its now 20 days to the flight date so they will start dinging us with the Fees as it gets closer the fee goes up. Like at 22 days out they really thought they sell out the pretty empty plane while now at 20 days out they release the seats feeling they wont sell them.

There's no fee for close-in ticketing for CO Plats now (or top tier at most airlines, this is pretty customary). And a couple carriers have no close-in fees for all members.

I_Can_Fly_US_Airways Apr 16, 2010 6:47 am

Okay...
 

Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 13752038)
I can think of several substitutes for first class travel, particularly when there are options for whY travel that quite closely mimic the F experience* on domestic flights.

Like what???

*I THINK I know what you are thinking, but would be curious to hear your ruminations...

sbm12 Apr 16, 2010 6:59 am

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Originally Posted by I_Hate_US_Airways

Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 13752038)
I can think of several substitutes for first class travel, particularly when there are options for whY travel that quite closely mimic the F experience* on domestic flights.

Like what???

*I THINK I know what you are thinking, but would be curious to hear your ruminations...

I guess it all depends on what you are going for with domestic F. If you just want the legroom there are a couple options that offer comparable space (36-38") in Y. If you need the free drinks just pay the $6 per and save the couple hundred on the ticket. You still come out ahead. Seat width is harder to do comfortably but you can get two Y seats.

If you are buying domestic F for the pampering and food then I think you are just living in a dream world. ;)

pinstripe1 Apr 16, 2010 7:24 am

Its the stupid 735s
 
I have flown AUS/EWR on a weekly basis for the last 9 months or so. THe UGs were pretty good actually last year when the route was serviced mostly with 737-700s. Didn't know how good I had it. But early in 2010 it switched to 737-500 and been hell ever since. UGs are very difficult and pretty much impossible if not on a very high fare class. Plus no IFE. CO thinks of itself as a full service airline (or at least used to) but flies 4hr routes with no IFE. At least I've never seen the turkeydog on this route.


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