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TWA Fan 1 Apr 11, 2010 10:07 am


Originally Posted by radonc1 (Post 13749750)
This all presumes that JB serves my city, which it doesn't, so discussion of this airline for me is academic. And I wonder given the economic pressures on all airlines when JB will start to succumb to economic reality.

No question that B6's network is not as comprehensive as a major airline such as CO, especially in the American Midwest and, of course, internationally.

Then again, if an airline doesn't serve your city, then it won't do you any good.

kingalien Apr 11, 2010 10:21 am


Originally Posted by AAExPlat (Post 13748969)
Sometimes I ask myself why I am still flying CO.


Originally Posted by IAHtraveler (Post 13749395)
I think the transcons and IAH-LAX/SFO are the most difficult, but that's just my opinion.

Yep, I asked myself the same question late last year in light of the difficult upgrades from the west coast. I've just gone mostly with UA now. I will likely attain Silver on CO in case I occasionally use CO and can make use of B fares.

sbm12 Apr 11, 2010 10:25 am

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Originally Posted by radonc1

Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 13749683)
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It isn't just "kettles" that love B6. They do a decent amount of business traveler lift, too. Their FF program certainly has limitations, but so does OnePass. And the in-flight experience on B6 is much better than on CO for folks who are riding in the back, the vast majority of customers out there.

This all presumes that JB serves my city, which it doesn't, so discussion of this airline for me is academic. And I wonder given the economic pressures on all airlines when JB will start to succumb to economic reality.

Of course any carrier that doesn't serve your market isn't one you will fly. In the AUS-NYC market being discussed it does seem somewhat relevant. ;)

As for succumbing to economic realities, I'm not sure what you mean. They are growing in size, in routes, in partners and in profits. They did this in the same market where many other carriers were cutting drastically. As the economy recovers they have more new aircraft scheduled to arrive and plenty of untapped markets to explore. They're in pretty good shape financially and organizationally right now, IMO. Yes, the TrueBlue program has its weaknesses, but it actually works pretty well for a lot of folks. A known 6% ROI and potential for much higher isn't so bad.

TWA Fan 1 Apr 11, 2010 10:33 am


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 13749868)
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Of course any carrier that doesn't serve your market isn't one you will fly. In the AUS-NYC market being discussed it does seem somewhat relevant. ;)

As for succumbing to economic realities, I'm not sure what you mean. They are growing in size, in routes, in partners and in profits. They did this in the same market where many other carriers were cutting drastically. As the economy recovers they have more new aircraft scheduled to arrive and plenty of untapped markets to explore. They're in pretty good shape financially and organizationally right now, IMO. Yes, the TrueBlue program has its weaknesses, but it actually works pretty well for a lot of folks. A known 6% ROI and potential for much higher isn't so bad.

I loved the old TrueBlue and still like TB2, although TB1 was better for me.

Last week, decided to take the TF1 family on a short vacation to Naples, FL, on a whim.

We purchased 3 roundtrips on B6 leaving two days after the booking, for a roundtrip cost of 19,200 points each.

It was a great trip, which would have been essentially impossible on a legacy carrier's ff program...

bernardd Apr 11, 2010 10:52 am


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 13749868)
Of course any carrier that doesn't serve your market isn't one you will fly. In the AUS-NYC market being discussed it does seem somewhat relevant. ;)

There are non-stops on B6 from AUS to JFK, BOS, FLL, MCO, LGB & SFO so they're as good as any of the legacies - AA for example now only serves DFW, ORD, LAX and sometime soon one-per-day to JFK (B6 has 3 or 4). Since that covers a lot of the domestic places I want to go, B6 together with WN (non-stop to SAN & PHX) or AS (non-stop to SJC) are easier for me than AA or CO these days.



Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 13749868)
As for succumbing to economic realities, I'm not sure what you mean. They are growing in size, in routes, in partners and in profits. They did this in the same market where many other carriers were cutting drastically. As the economy recovers they have more new aircraft scheduled to arrive and plenty of untapped markets to explore. They're in pretty good shape financially and organizationally right now, IMO.

Certainly better than AA - I'd bet on AA being in Chapter 11 long before B6! Southwest are about the only folks in a better financial position these days.

IAHtraveler Apr 11, 2010 10:55 am


Originally Posted by TWA Fan 1 (Post 13749681)
Ultimately, the choice is sitting in the deeply horrendous CO 735 in Y, with the tight legroom, no IFE whatsoever, and soon no meals either, or on B6 with far more comfort, a very inexpensive buy-up to 38" of seat pitch and free DirecTV.

I, too, wish I had this choice, but having to drive all the way to HOU with the only option being JFK 2x per day, it won't do me much good. Maybe someday, though.

bmg42000 Apr 11, 2010 11:11 am

Competition is good for US
 

Originally Posted by TWA Fan 1 (Post 13749779)
No question that B6's network is not as comprehensive as a major airline such as CO, especially in the American Midwest and, of course, internationally.

Then again, if an airline doesn't serve your city, then it won't do you any good.

On the flights with competion from B6 or WN or other discount airlines one can buy 1 way tickets on CO without paying an arm and a leg . (I just bought a ticket on CO to FLA and B6 on the return flight) . With the advent of TV on CO (or AVOD on 752's) I can now book then when I find the B6 fares too high . Having competition on a route I fly often is key and needs to be supported.

bernardd Apr 11, 2010 11:23 am


Originally Posted by bmg42000 (Post 13750090)
On the flights with competion from B6 or WN or other discount airlines one can buy 1 way tickets on CO without paying an arm and a leg .

It used to be called the "Southwest effect" - every time they opened a new City they forced the ticket prices on the legacies down. Then WN ended up making money while everyone else was losing it like it wsa going out of fashion. Whether having a handfull of legacies perpetually teetering on the brink is ultimately good for consumers is another question however!

Laughable Apr 11, 2010 11:38 am


Originally Posted by radonc1 (Post 13749015)
Upgrades are like cherries on a sundae


Originally Posted by USFreak (Post 13749088)
...an upgrade is icing on the cake.

I'll consider the upgrade the sundae or the cake, because when you sit in Y there is nothing sweet about it.

I_Can_Fly_US_Airways Apr 11, 2010 11:41 am

Agree, Yes, But
 

Originally Posted by TWA Fan 1 (Post 13749567)
Why not just fly jetBlue?

1. I Agree with the folks that said you should not expect an UG on a heavy biz route w/a cheap fare.
2. Yes, JB does have good fares & a good hard product...
3. BUT, having been top elite w/AA you're used to flying F class. Bottom line, THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTION FOR FIRST CLASS*, PERIOD!

*Maybe with the exception of US Scareways F product, cause it sucks!!!

Do what you need to do to move up front (-;

transportbiz Apr 11, 2010 11:46 am

sbm12 can probably answer this, but hasn't B6 been invited or thought might be invited to become a member of *A?

As to the OP's post, sorry but CO is probably not your best bet to expect an upgrade.

craz Apr 11, 2010 11:53 am


Originally Posted by transportbiz (Post 13750250)
sbm12 can probably answer this, but hasn't B6 been invited or thought might be invited to become a member of *A?

As to the OP's post, sorry but CO is probably not your best bet to expect an upgrade.

I think with the teaming up and selling flights on one another it will be OW if anyting and not *A that B6 will become a partner of. At the least I would a expect it to be a partner of AA if not a full member of OW

transportbiz Apr 11, 2010 1:43 pm


Originally Posted by craz (Post 13750282)
I think with the teaming up and selling flights on one another it will be OW if anyting and not *A that B6 will become a partner of. At the least I would a expect it to be a partner of AA if not a full member of OW

Yeah, that is most certainly one way. I was shocked about the AA partnership, considering the share of ownership LH has of B6.

bernardd Apr 11, 2010 2:03 pm


Originally Posted by I_Hate_US_Airways (Post 13750229)
Bottom line, THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTION FOR FIRST CLASS*, PERIOD!

It depends on what you're trying to do. For me there's a breakpoint where convenience wins over todays dumbed down F service, but having to add at least 2 hours to go via a hub onto a 2-3 hour non-stop WN flight just makes no sense to me, particularly when you consider the extra risk of a mis-connect. I make different choices about 10+ hour flights across oceans. YMMV.

DiverDave Apr 11, 2010 6:03 pm


Originally Posted by transportbiz (Post 13750727)
Yeah, that is most certainly one way. I was shocked about the AA partnership, considering the share of ownership LH has of B6.

In the intervening time period since LH bought that ownership, LH has acquired CO as an alliance partner.

David


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