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veg247 Mar 28, 2010 1:58 am
CO to Bud
 
What would be the best fare to purchase on CO from NY to Budapest giving me the best chance for an U/G? I'm a GE. Much appreciated

craz Mar 28, 2010 8:40 am
CO doesnt fly to BUD so youd have to fly to a *A hub in Europe and connect there. Which will mean the UP will be only to/from the European Hub = IMO if you are based in the NY area youd do best with Coach the whole way, as its not really that long of a flight say EWR-FRA to me at least to justify spending alot more $$$ for a higher fare basis, or for having to pay the co-pay which from an M fare is $250 & 20k up to $500 & 20k per way.

I dont think we can as of yet Upgrade on *As European Carriers and even if we could the Biz section on the intra-Europe flights is usually a coach seat with an empty seat next to you

If Biz is that important check out Malev but its a member of OW and not *A

Bonehead Mar 28, 2010 9:29 am
Whew. I thought that the airline was switching beers...seriously.

craz Mar 28, 2010 9:50 am
Originally Posted by Bonehead (Post 13664138)
Whew. I thought that the airline was switching beers...seriously.
I wish they would switch over to Bud

usa18dca Mar 28, 2010 12:47 pm
Originally Posted by craz (Post 13664236)
I wish they would switch over to Bud
Eww...Bud is gross...I wish CO would just serve Beer from Germany/Belgium/France...Duvel, Blue Moon, & Chimay!!!! And the occasional German beer! Prosssttttt...

TWA Fan 1 Mar 28, 2010 1:09 pm
Originally Posted by usa18dca (Post 13665089)
Eww...Bud is gross...I wish CO would just serve Beer from Germany/Belgium/France...Duvel, Blue Moon, & Chimay!!!! And the occasional German beer! Prosssttttt...
Oh boy, how much do you think a Chimay would cost on CAL, since a bottle already costs about $8 in a retail liquor store?

"Sir, yes, we have Chimay for sale. Each bottle is $150."

Since they're selling middle seat in exit rows on one hour flights for about $50, a $150 bottle of beer would be perfectly in line with the Smisek strategy...

star_world Mar 28, 2010 1:41 pm
Originally Posted by craz (Post 13663948)
I dont think we can as of yet Upgrade on *As European Carriers and even if we could the Biz section on the intra-Europe flights is usually a coach seat with an empty seat next to you
:confused: You certainly can upgrade on the majority of *A airlines if you're on a Y/B fare. This is a standard *A benefit, and there is no co-pay - just miles.

Additionally, like many places CO does not fly to, you can fly there on a CO ticket, and most likely on a CO codeshare end to end. You don't have to buy the *A connection separately or anything like that. As an example of a CO EWR-BUD fare:

[KVS Availability Tool 5.4.0/Diamond - TVN: EWR-BUD/CO/WLX5NCE/416 USD]
Code:
INSTANT PURCHASE NONREFUNDABLE-TYPE FARES

[RULE APPLICATION AND OTHER CONDITIONS]
NOTE - THE FOLLOWING TEXT IS INFORMATIONAL AND NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
CO TRANSATLANTIC ROUNDTRIP STRUCTURE FARES FROM THE AREA 1 TO
AREA 2/3. APPLICATION AREA THESE FARES APPLY FROM AREA 1 TO AREA 2/AREA
3. CLASS OF SERVICE THESE FARES APPLY FOR ECONOMY CLASS SERVICE.
TYPES OF TRANSPORTATION THIS RULE GOVERNS ROUND-TRIP FARES. FARES GOVERNED
BY THIS RULE CAN BE USED TO CREATE ROUND-TRIP/CIRCLE-TRIP/SINGLE
OPEN-JAW JOURNEYS. THESE FARES MAY BE APPLIED RETROACTIVELY. CAPACITY
LIMITATIONS THE CARRIER SHALL LIMIT THE NUMBER OF PASSENGERS CARRIED
ON ANY ONE FLIGHT AT FARES GOVERNED BY THIS RULE AND SUCH FARES WILL
NOT NECESSARILY BE AVAILABLE ON ALL FLIGHTS. THE NUMBER OF SEATS,
WHICH THE CARRIER SHALL MAKE AVAILABLE ON A GIVEN FLIGHT, WILL BE DETERMINED
BY THE CARRIER S BEST JUDGEMENT.

[ELIGIBILITY]
NO ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS APPLY.

[DAY/TIME]
TO AREA 2 - PERMITTED SUN THROUGH THU ON EACH TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR. FROM
AREA 2 - PERMITTED MON THROUGH THU ON EACH TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR.

[SEASONALITY]
PERMITTED 04NOV09 THROUGH 16DEC09 OR 24DEC09 THROUGH 25MAR10 OR 24OCT10
THROUGH 15DEC10 OR 24DEC10 THROUGH 31MAR11 ON THE OUTBOUND TRANSATLANTIC
SECTOR. SEASON IS BASED ON DATE OF ORIGIN.

[FLIGHT APPLICATION]
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL WITHIN AREA 1 THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST
NOT BE ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY UA FLIGHT OPERATED BY
US ANY LH FLIGHT OPERATED BY B6. AND THE FARE COMPONENT MUST INCLUDE
TRAVEL VIA TRANSATLANTIC SECTORS ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY
CO FLIGHT OPERATED BY AC ANY CO FLIGHT OPERATED BY CO ANY CO FLIGHT OPERATED
BY LH ANY CO FLIGHT OPERATED BY UA.

[ADVANCE RESERVATIONS/TICKETING]
FARE RULE CONFIRMED RESERVATIONS FOR ALL SECTORS ARE REQUIRED AT LEAST
7 DAYS BEFORE DEPARTURE. WAITLIST NOT PERMITTED. TICKETING MUST BE COMPLETED
WITHIN 72 HOURS AFTER RESERVATIONS ARE MADE OR AT LEAST 7 DAYS
BEFORE DEPARTURE WHICHEVER IS EARLIER.  GENERAL RULE - APPLY UNLESS
OTHERWISE SPECIFIED NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
CO SAME DAY TRAVEL OPTIONS - AVAILABLE WHEN CHECKING IN AT AIRPORT
KIOSKS. APPLIES TO OUTBOUND/CONTINUING/RETURN FLIGHTS. . 1. SAME DAY
STANDBY PERMITTED FOR AN EARLIER FLIGHT FOR A FEE OF A.  PLATINUM ELITE
- 0.00 USD B.  GOLD ELITE - 25.00 USD C.  SILVER ELITE - 50.00 USD
D.  NON-ELITE - 50.00 USD TRAVEL MUST BE BETWEEN THE SAME ORIGIN/DESTINATION
AND CONNECTION ARPTS. CO-TERMINAL STANDBY IS NOT PERMITTED.
STANDBY PROCESSING WILL OCCUR WITHIN 24 HOURS OF A PASSENGERS DESIRED
FLIGHT. . 2. CONFIRM A SEAT ON AN ALTERNATE FLIGHT FOR A FEE OF A.
PLATINUM ELITE - 0.00 USD B.  GOLD ELITE - 25.00 USD C.  SILVER ELITE
- 50.00 USD D.  NON-ELITE - 50.00 USD ON FLIGHTS DEPARTING WITHIN 24
HOURS OF CHECK-IN WHEN - A. THE SAME TICKETED INVENTORY CLASS IS AVAILABLE.
B. TRAVEL IS BETWEEN THE SAME ORIGIN CITY AND DESTINATION CITY.
C. NEW FLIGHTS AND ROUTING ARE PERMITTED PER THE FARE RULE. D. ALL
TRAVEL IS ON- CO FLIGHTS 1-889 CO FLIGHTS 1000-1299 CO FLIGHTS 1400-1899
CO FLIGHTS 2000-3169 CO FLIGHTS 3200-3499 CO FLIGHTS 4900-4949 CO
FLIGHTS 5500-5999 CO FLIGHTS 9105-9119 CO FLIGHTS 9120-9310 CO FLIGHTS
9356-9400 CO FLIGHTS 9491-9595 E. NOTE - FOR FARES TICKETED ON OR
BETWEEN 17JUN08 AND 31AUG09 FEE APPLIES TO FLIGHTS WITHIN 12 HOURS OF
CHECK-IN. FOR FARES TICKETED PRIOR TO 01OCT09 PLATINUM FEE IS 25.00.
. 3. TO CONFIRM A SEAT ON A FLIGHT OUTSIDE OF THE 24 HOUR CONFIRMED
SEAT PERIOD THE RULES OUTLINED IN THE PENALTY SECTION WILL APPLY. .
4. CUSTOMERS STANDING BY FOR CO FLIGHTS OPERATED BY A PARTNER MAY BE
ASSESSED A FEE.

[MINIMUM STAY]
TRAVEL FROM LAST STOPOVER MUST COMMENCE NO EARLIER THAN THE FIRST SUN
AFTER DEPARTURE FROM FARE ORIGIN.

[MAXIMUM STAY]
TRAVEL FROM LAST STOPOVER MUST COMMENCE NO LATER THAN 12 MONTHS AFTER
DEPARTURE FROM FARE ORIGIN.

[STOPOVERS]
NO STOPOVERS PERMITTED.

[TRANSFERS]
4 TRANSFERS PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION. 2 PERMITTED IN AREA 2/AREA 3
IN EACH DIRECTION 2 PERMITTED IN AREA 1 IN EACH DIRECTION. FARE BREAK
SURFACE SECTORS PERMITTED AND EMBEDDED SURFACE SECTORS NOT PERMITTED
ON THE FARE COMPONENT.

[COMBINATIONS]
DOUBLE OPEN JAWS NOT PERMITTED. ADD-ONS PERMITTED. END-ON-END END-ON-END
COMBINATIONS PERMITTED. VALIDATE ALL FARE COMPONENTS. FARES MUST BE
SHOWN SEPARATELY ON THE TICKET. TRAVEL MUST BE VIA THE POINT OF COMBINATION.
OPEN JAWS/ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON
A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS -TO FORM SINGLE OPEN JAWS MILEAGE OF THE OPEN
SEGMENT MUST BE EQUAL/LESS THAN MILEAGE OF THE LONGEST FLOWN FARE COMPONENT.
-TO FORM ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS. PROVIDED - COMBINATIONS
ARE WITH ANY ROUND TRIP FARE FOR CARRIER CO/UA/LH/AC/LX/OS IN ANY RULE
FOR TRAVEL VIA THE ATLANTIC.

[BLACKOUT DATES]
NO BLACKOUT DATES APPLY.

[SURCHARGES]
NO SURCHARGE REQUIREMENTS APPLY.

[ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL]
ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL NOT REQUIRED.

[TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS]
NO TRAVEL DATE RESTRICTIONS APPLY.

[SALES RESTRICTIONS]
FARE RULE TICKETS MAY BE ISSUED BY PTA. PTA CONSTITUTES TICKETING.  GENERAL
RULE - APPLY UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED TICKETS MAY BE ISSUED BY
PTA. PTA CONSTITUTES TICKETING. TICKETS MAY NOT BE SOLD IN VENEZUELA.
NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. FOR ITINERARIES SOLD
OUTSIDE OF VE - CREDIT CARDS ISSUED IN VE ARE NOT ACCEPTED. EXTENSION
OF TICKET VALIDITY PERMITTED UNDER GUIDELINES SET FORTH BY CARRIER.
 CONTACT CARRIER FOR DETAILS.

[PENALTIES]
CANCELLATIONS  TICKET IS NON-REFUNDABLE. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED
FOR AUTOPRICING. IF ANY PART OF THE TICKET IS UNUSED IT HAS NO VALUE
AFTER TICKETED DEPARTURE DATE.  CHANGES  CHARGE USD 250.00 FOR REISSUE.
NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. ITINERARIES MAY
BE REBOOKED UP TO ONE YEAR FROM ORIGINAL TICKET ISSUE DATE PROVIDED
THE PASSENGER CANCELS THE TICKETED FLIGHT RESERVATION PRIOR TO TICKETED
DEPARTURE TIME.  IF THE TICKETED FLIGHT RESERVATION IS NOT CANCELLED
PRIOR TO TICKETED DEPARTURE TIME REBOOKING IS NOT PERMITTED AND THE
TICKET HAS NO VALUE. TICKETS MUST BE REISSUED AT THE TIME A CHANGE
IS MADE. CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNTS APPLY. ---------- SECTION 1 - WHOLLY
UNUSED TICKETS - BEFORE DEPARTURE OF THE OUTBOUND IN THE EVENT OF CHANGES
TO TICKETED FLIGHTS BEFORE DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY AND WITHIN TKT
VALIDITY CHARGE USD 250.00 OR HIGHEST FEE OF ANY CHANGED FARE COMPONENT
WITHIN JOURNEY. A. REPRICE USING CURRENT FARES PROVIDED THAT ALL OF
THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET- 1. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN -
ALL NEW TRVL MUST BE DOMESTIC 2. CO FARES ARE USED 3. VALIDATE ADVANCE
RES REQUIREMENTS WHEN BOOKING DATE KNOWN 4. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM
REISSUE DATE TO DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY OR- B. REPRICE USING CURRENT FARES
- ONLY BOOKING CODE CHANGES PERMITTED PROVIDED ALL OF THE CONDITIONS
ARE MET- 1. NO CHANGE IN FARE BREAKS 2. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN
- ALL NEW TRVL MUST BE DOMESTIC 3. CO FARES ARE USED 4. VALIDATE
ADVANCE RESERVATIONS REQUIREMENTS WHEN BOOKING DATE KNOWN 5. ADV RES
IS MEASURED FROM REISSUE DATE TO DEPARTURE OF THE JOURNEY WHEN CHANGE
RESULTS IN LOWER FARE REFUND RESIDUAL VIA VOUCHER AND COLLECT PENALTY
ENDORSEMENT BOX- HIGHER NON-REF AMOUNT. OR- C.  ON CHANGES MADE TO
THE INBOUND PORTION OF OF THE ITINERARY ONLY - REPRICE USING FARES IN
EFFECT WHEN THE TICKET WAS ISSUED PROVIDING ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS
ARE MET - 1. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL MUST
BE DOMESTIC 2. CO FARES ARE USED 3. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS
ARE MET. 4. VALIDATE ADVANCE RESERVATIONS REQUIREMENTS WHEN BOOKING
DATE KNOWN 5. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO DEPARTURE
OF THE JOURNEY WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN LOWER FARE REFUND RESIDUAL
VIA VOUCHER AND COLLECT PENALTY ENDORSEMENT BOX- HIGHER NON-REF AMOUNT.
OR - SUBSECTION 1A. - WHOLLY UNUSED TICKETS - BEFORE DEPARTURE OF
THE OUTBOUND IN CASES OF DEATH BEFORE DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY AND WITHIN
TKT VALIDITY IN THE CASE OF DEATH OF PASSENGER OR FAMILY MEMBER -
NO CHARGE OR HIGHEST FEE OF ANY CHANGED FARE COMPONENT WITHIN JOURNEY
AND A. REPRICE USING CURRENT FARES PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS
ARE MET- 1. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRVL MUST BE
DOMESTIC 2. CO FARES ARE USED 3. VALIDATE ADVANCE RES REQUIREMENTS
WHEN BOOKING DATE KNOWN 4. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM THE REISSUE DATE
TO DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY OR - B.  REPRICE USING CURRENT FARES - ONLY BOOKING
CODE CHANGES PERMITTED PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS
ARE MET - 1. NO CHANGE IN FARE BREAKS 2. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN
ALL NEW TRVL MUST BE DOMESTIC 3. CO FARES ARE USED 4. VALIDATE ADVANCE
RES REQUIREMENTS WHEN BOOKING DATE IS KNOWN 5. ADV RES IS MEASURED
FROM REISSUE DATE TO DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY OR- C.  ON CHANGES MADE TO
THE INBOUND PORTION OF OF THE ITINERARY ONLY - REPRICE USING FARES
IN EFFECT WHEN THE TICKET WAS ISSUED PROVIDING ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS
ARE MET - 1. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL MUST
BE DOMESTIC 2. CO FARES ARE USED 3. ALL RULE AN BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS
ARE MET. 4. VALIDATE ADVANCE RESERVATIONS REQUIREMENTS WHEN BOOKING
DATE KNOWN 5. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO DEPARTURE
OF THE JOURNEY OR - D. CHANGES NOT PERMITTED/REFUND TKT-ANY REMAINING
AMOUNT WILL APPLY TO THE NEW TICKET WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN LOWER
FARE REFUND RESIDUAL VIA VOUCHER.  ENDORSEMENT BOX - HIGHER NON-REF
AMT OR - SECTION 2. - PARTIALLY USED TICKETS - AFTER DEPARTURE OF
JOURNEY AND WITHIN TICKET VALIDITY CHARGE USD 250.00 OR HIGHEST FEE OF
ANY CHANGED FARE COMPONENT WITHIN JOURNEY. AND REPRICE A.  USING FARES
IN EFFECT WHEN THE TICKET WAS ISSUED PROVIDING ALL OF THE FOLLOWING
CONDITIONS ARE MET - 1.  WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRVL
MUST BE DOMESTIC. 2.  FULLY FLOWN FARE NOT REPRICE TO FURTHUR POINT.
3.  CO FARES ARE USED 4.  NEW TKT HAS EQUAL OR HIGHER VALUE THAN PREVIOUS
TKT. 5.  ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET. 6.  VALIDATE
ADVANCE RES REQUIREMENTS WHEN BOOKING DATE KNOWN. 7.  ADV RES IS
MEASURED FROM THE ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO THE DEPARTURE OF THE JOURNEY.
OR REPRICE B.  CHANGED FARE COMPONENTS USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN THE
TICKET WAS ISSUED. B1. UNCHANGED FARE COMPONENTS USING CURRENTLY TICKETED
FARES. PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET - 1.
NO CHANGE TO FARE BREAKS OF UNCHANGED FARE COMPONENTS 2. WHEN NO INTL
COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRVL MUST BE DOEMSTIC 3. FULLY FLOWN FARE NOT
REPRICED TO FURTHER POINT 4. CO FARES ARE USED 5. ALL RULE AND BOOKING
CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET 6. VALIDATE ADVANCE RES REQUIREMENTS WHEN
BOOKING DATE IS KNOWN 7. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE
TO DEPARTURE OF THE JOURNEY WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN LOWER FARE REFUND
RESIDUAL VIA VOUCHER AND COLLECT PENALTY ENDORSEMENT BOX- HIGHER NON-REF
AMOUNT. OR - SUBSECTION 2A. - PARTIALLY USED TICKETS - AFTER DEPARTURE
OF THE OUTBOUND IN THE CASE OF DEATH  - AFTER DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY
AND WITHIN TICKET VALIDITY IN THE CASE OF DEATH OF PASSENGER OR
FAMILY MEMBER NO CHARGE OR HIGHEST FEE OF ANY CHANGED FARE COMPONENT
WITHIN JOURNEY AND A. CHANGES NOT PERMITTED/REFUND TKT-ANY REMAINING
AMT WILL APPLY TO NEW TKT OR - REPRICE B. USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN
THE TICKET WAS ISSUED PROVIDING ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET
- 1.  WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRVL MUST BE DOMESTIC.
2.  FULLY FLOWN FARE NOT REPRICE TO FURTHUR POINT. 3.  CO FARES ARE
USED 4.  NEW TKT HAS EQUAL OR HIGHER VALUE THAN PREVIOUS TKT. 5.  ALL
RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET. 6.  VALIDATE ADVANCE RES REQUIREMENTS
WHEN BOOKING DATE KNOWN. 7.  ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM THE
ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO THE DEPARTURE OF THE JOURNEY. OR - REPRICE C.
CHANGED FARE COMPONENTS USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN THE TKT WAS ISSUED.
C1. UNCHANGED FARE COMPONENTS USING CURRENTLY TICKETED FARES. PROVIDED
ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET - 1. NO CHANGE TO FARE BREAKS
OF UNCHANGED FARE COMPONENTS 2. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL
NEW TRVL MUST BE DOMESTIC 3. FULLY FLOWN FARE NOT REPRICED TO FURTHER
POINT 4. CO FARES ARE USED 5. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS
ARE MET 6. VALIDATE ADVANCE RES REQUIREMENTS WHEN BOOKING DATE IS KNOWN
7. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO DEPARTURE OF THE
JOURNEY WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN A LOWER FARE REFUND RESIDUAL VIA VOUCHER.
ENDORSEMENT BOX - HIGHER NON-REF AMT. ------ NOTE - AFTER EACH TICKETED
DEPARTURE TIME 1.NO CHANGES PERMITTED IF PASSENGER HAS NOT CANCELLED
THEIR TICKETED FLIGHT RESERVATIONS. 2.TICKET HAS NO VALUE IF
PASSENGER HAS NOT CANCELLED THEIR TICKETED FLIGHT RESERVATIONS. 3. NO
STANDBY PERMITTED IF PASSENGER HAS NOT CANCELLED THEIR TICKETED FLIGHT RESERVATIONS.

[HIP/MILEAGE EXCEPTIONS]
NO HIP OR MILEAGE EXCEPTIONS APPLY.

[TICKET ENDORSEMENTS]
THE ORIGINAL AND THE REISSUED TICKET MUST BE ANNOTATED - NONREF/0VALUAFTDPT/CHGFEE
- IN THE ENDORSEMENT BOX.

[CHILDREN DISCOUNTS]
CNN/ACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 2-11 - NO DISCOUNT. OR - 1ST INF/INFANT WITHOUT
A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2 - CHARGE 10 PERCENT OF THE FARE. TICKETING CODE
- BASE FARE CODE PLUS IN. MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE
SAME COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR 18 OR OLDER. OR - INS/INFANT WITH A
SEAT PSGR UNDER 2 - NO DISCOUNT. OR - UNN/UNACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 5-11
- NO DISCOUNT.

[TOUR CONDUCTOR DISCOUNTS]
NO DISCOUNTS FOR TOUR CONDUCTORS.

[AGENT DISCOUNTS]
NO DISCOUNTS FOR SALE AGENTS.

[ALL OTHER DISCOUNTS]
NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. NO DISCOUNTS APPLY

[MISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS]
NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. APPLIES ONLY FOR TRANSPORTATION
TO THE FIRST CITY SHOWN - AND RETURN WHERE SHOWN IN CONNECTION
WITH PUBLISHED ROUND TRIP FARES.

[FARE BY RULE]
NOT APPLICABLE.

[GROUPS]
NO GROUP PROVISIONS APPLY.

[TOURS]
NO TOUR PROVISIONS APPLY.

[VISIT ANOTHER COUNTRY]
NO VISIT ANOTHER COUNTRY PROVISIONS APPLY.

[DEPOSITS]
NO DEPOSIT PROVISIONS APPLY.

[VOLUNTARY CHANGES]
ENTER RD*31 OR RD LINE NUM *31 FOR VOLUNTARY CHGS.

[VOLUNTARY REFUNDS]
NO VOLUNTARY REFUNDS DATA FOUND.

[NEGOTIATED FARES]
NOT APPLICABLE. IC.INTERNATIONAL CONSTRUCTION  ** ADDONS FOR INFORMATION
ONLY ** FARE--RT PUBLISHED AMOUNT  CONVERTED AMOUNT ADDON      CITIES
 F/B      CUR                VIA NUC ADDON ORG  EWR-NYC W*****
 USD        0.00  USD        0.00 ATP ZONE 406    ADD-ON TARIFF AUSA/999
PUBLISHED  NYC-BUD WLX5NCE  USD      420.00  USD      420.00
 USD CONVERTED TO CAD USING BSR 1 CAD - 0.984737 USD
Originally Posted by TWA Fan 1 (Post 13665200)
Since they're selling middle seat in exit rows on one hour flights for about $50, a $150 bottle of beer would be perfectly in line with the Smisek strategy...
Are you opposed to this strategy? If people are willing to buy those exit rows - or $150 beers ;) then go for it ^

TWA Fan 1 Mar 28, 2010 2:11 pm
Originally Posted by star_world (Post 13665376)
Are you opposed to this strategy? If people are willing to buy those exit rows - or $150 beers ;) then go for it ^
Not opposed in the least.

But all kidding aside, I was actually trying to make a serious point, namely that if you price yourself out of your market, then you end making less money.

You can sell a beer for $150 and it would strike most people as a little ridiculous. Of course, you could also price it at $25 million, for that matter.

But the price point needs to be set at a level where people will buy.

Just like there are likely to be very few takers of $150 bottles of beer, the same likely applies to sitting in a middle seat in an exit row for $50 for an hour flight.

If Smisek is really serious about making money, he would price these seats at about $10. Sure, that's a heck of a lot less than $50, except if people are really buying them.

Then it's $10 more than $50...

wcalvert Mar 29, 2010 9:37 am
Originally Posted by TWA Fan 1 (Post 13665502)
Not opposed in the least.

But all kidding aside, I was actually trying to make a serious point, namely that if you price yourself out of your market, then you end making less money.

You can sell a beer for $150 and it would strike most people as a little ridiculous. Of course, you could also price it at $25 million, for that matter.

But the price point needs to be set at a level where people will buy.

Just like there are likely to be very few takers of $150 bottles of beer, the same likely applies to sitting in a middle seat in an exit row for $50 for an hour flight.

If Smisek is really serious about making money, he would price these seats at about $10. Sure, that's a heck of a lot less than $50, except if people are really buying them.

Then it's $10 more than $50...
I've seen a few of these seats being sold. I would much rather him sell 20% for $50 and give the other 80% away to people like me and make the same amount of money.

ijgordon Mar 29, 2010 10:03 am
Originally Posted by star_world (Post 13665376)
:confused: You certainly can upgrade on the majority of *A airlines if you're on a Y/B fare. This is a standard *A benefit, and there is no co-pay - just miles.
Of course, but it's worth noting that you would need to redeem a separate award for the intra-European segment. And if you made it to MUC or FRA or even ZRH on CO with a BF upgrade, then the leg to BUD will be only about an hour, and hardly worth using the miles to upgrade, even though it's only 10k each way.
It might be worth it on the return, depending on your *A elite status and thus your lounge access and baggage allowance when checking in at BUD.

wcalvert Mar 29, 2010 11:58 am
Also, I would definitely pay extra $$$ for some premium beer selections on the plane. $15-$20 for Chimay (in the smaller corked bottle size) would happen regularly. The look on people's faces around me would be priceless. $20 on beer?!? Heh.

TWA Fan 1 Mar 29, 2010 12:01 pm
Originally Posted by wcalvert (Post 13669802)
I've seen a few of these seats being sold. I would much rather him sell 20% for $50 and give the other 80% away to people like me and make the same amount of money.
Are you sure these passengers paid the buy up?

Just because there are people sitting in the exit row doesn't mean they paid anything. If they are CO OP Gold or Plats they still receive these seats for free.

wcalvert Mar 29, 2010 12:10 pm
Originally Posted by TWA Fan 1 (Post 13670798)
Are you sure these passengers paid the buy up?

Just because there are people sitting in the exit row doesn't mean they paid anything. If they are CO OP Gold or Plats they still receive these seats for free.
Doh! Forgot about that. Us lowly silvers don't get that benefit, so I tend to forget it exists.

When Continental puts out their quarterly income statement, do you think they will report this so we can see how well it is working? I know they talked in December about the buy ups to first producing several millions in extra revenue.

TWA Fan 1 Mar 29, 2010 1:08 pm
Originally Posted by wcalvert (Post 13670845)
Doh! Forgot about that. Us lowly silvers don't get that benefit, so I tend to forget it exists.

When Continental puts out their quarterly income statement, do you think they will report this so we can see how well it is working? I know they talked in December about the buy ups to first producing several millions in extra revenue.
I would certainly hope CAL would release these figures, although it's a pretty fair guess that if this buy-up program isn't doing well, we won't hear much about it.


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