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Originally Posted by channa
(Post 12865915)
Have you read the thread? There are multiple data points on this very thread, so how can you continue to dismiss the concern?
a) my experience with attempting a number of random itineraries, some of which weren't available in ANA and not having a single flight come back as rejected. b) the experience of a number of the other folks who i know and trust with the same experience. The US example is a great example of how someone jumped the gun and started up when in reality it was a married segment issue. Perhaps next we'll need to start explaining how fare buckets work. |
This is UA's fault....FULL STOP.
Had they and their glorious management not decided to Filter STARnet availability, there would not be complaints RE: Blocking. On the other hand, we would be hearing complaints that I can find X award, but the CO agent is unable to see X award, CO's IT stinks. There is no winning, I guess I am less picky than most, in that I can forgive a lot and just deal, others want better functionality and they are right to. I just want to stop hearing about STARnet Filtering/Blocking. Dan |
Originally Posted by HeathrowGuy
(Post 12864232)
From the beginning, the global alliances were, and still are, Europe-centered marketing relationships. European legacy airlines were the prime movers in setting up global alliances, and each of the alliances has placed the establishment of TATL joint ventures as a top priority for the near term. The glaring weaknesses of oneworld's "periphery" approach are twofold: 1) the alliance has failed to secure members that can effectively cover Europe's eastern and southerneastern "periphery"; and 2) it leave the alliance wholly uncompetitive in targeting the growing traffic flows from much of the continent to points south (Africa) and east (Asia, except HKG/NRT) because the proposition of going out of the way to LHR or MAD (HEL is too small of a hub to make a difference either way) simply isn't attractive to flyers who can get better schedules from better-placed Star Alliance and SkyTeam hubs.
From the initial talk about how CO awards are better than AA awards because *A hubs are supposedly better than OW hubs... and now, the justification for how the *A hubs are better is because *A is more attractive for Europe originating traffic going to Africa and Asia? Just how often are CO awards being issued for these types of itineraries? Last time I checked, CO's main customer base was based in the USA, no? |
FWIW I was able to book a UA reward and a AC award that did not show up on ANA or the CO site.. I did not think it would be available, but I asked and they found me a seat. EWR-YYZ-HKG on AC and EWR-ORD-HKG on UA in business.
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Originally Posted by keithguy
(Post 12875948)
Just how often are CO awards being issued for these types of itineraries?
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I generally only use miles for expensive Int'l travel in premium cabins. Dan |
Originally Posted by ConciergeMike
(Post 12878422)
It might come as a shock to some, but FlyerTalk membership does not hold a monopoly on the population of smart travelers. I have no doubt that there are people out there who have oodles of miles and use the same rational thought process that some of us do, i.e. to use miles for an international itinerary that would otherwise be unaffordable.
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Originally Posted by keithguy
(Post 12879111)
Seriously? Are there really that many people using CO miles to travel from Europe going to Asia and Africa using the *A because of the better positioned hubs?
In fact, since DL added LAX-SYD, I really do not see much of a difference between STAR and Sky, other than the fact that I can now redeem for F which is forbidden in Sky. Dan |
Originally Posted by dan1431
(Post 12879950)
In fact, since DL added LAX-SYD, I really do not see much of a difference between STAR and Sky, other than the fact that I can now redeem for F which is forbidden in Sky.
Delta Asia options in Star:Korean Air China Southern United Not much of a difference?Continental Air Canada Singapore Asiana ANA Thai Air New Zealand Air China Shanghai Airlines |
Originally Posted by AZ Travels the World
(Post 12880217)
North America to Asia options in Sky:
Delta Asia options in Star:Korean Air China Southern United Not much of a difference?Continental Air Canada Singapore Asiana ANA Thai Air New Zealand Air China Shanghai Airlines I can still get to Asia, all be it with less choices of airline. However, I am a CO PLT and will continue to fly airlines that I can earn/redeem miles on. Dan |
Originally Posted by keithguy
(Post 12879111)
Seriously? Are there really that many people using CO miles to travel from Europe going to Asia and Africa using the *A because of the better positioned hubs?
I said smart travelers. You added the specificity. |
Originally Posted by dan1431
(Post 12880488)
IMHO, the amount of airline does not really make much of a difference.
I can still get to Asia, all be it with less choices of airline. BTW, what are we debating, anyways?? :) |
Originally Posted by dan1431
(Post 12880488)
IMHO, the amount of airline does not really make much of a difference.
I can still get to Asia, all be it with less choices of airline. For example, if I want to go from the west coast to Japan, I've got United, Continental, Air Canada, ANA, Singapore, Asiana as viable options. In Sky, I've got Delta and Korean. There is just no comparison when it comes to the number of available seats, especially in premium classes, between the two alliances. Now, if we could just get Continental away from their Starnet blocking. . . :D |
"If you need to travel to a city that is not served by Star Alliance, I would reconsider the need to visit that city." - Jeff Smisek
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Originally Posted by AZ Travels the World
(Post 12880575)
But for me it's about high quality options for available seats to where I want to go. I just think there is no comparison to Star on this front, particularly in Asia.
For example, if I want to go from the west coast to Japan, I've got United, Continental, Air Canada, ANA, Singapore, Asiana as viable options. In Sky, I've got Delta and Korean. There is just no comparison when it comes to the number of available seats, especially in premium classes, between the two alliances. Now, if we could just get Continental away from their Starnet blocking. . . :D However, I completely agree that Star is the leading alliance for both Asia and Europe. |
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