question for Mariners fans
 

My boyfriend and I were planning to go to
this weekend's M's/Yankees game. He's
advised me *not* to wear anything Yankees-
related. He's convinced that there'll be a lot
of hostility and perhaps a physical altercation.

How true is this? Does Seattle hate NY *that*
much? I don't think I should fear for my safety
just because I'm rooting for my hometeam.
So maybe I should stay quiet? (But then again,
I'm not one to walk away from a good fight...)

Umm... the game at Safeco? LMAO

This is the Pacific Northwest. Not NY, Philly, etc. I wouldn't fear wearing the ugly NY apparel in SEA. Just make sure you can run quick! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/tongue.gif

This is the Pacific Northwest...I wouldn't fear wearing the ugly NY apparel in SEA.[/B][/QUOTE]

"ugly apparel" huh?...as if Lumberjack-land is a fashion
mecca... http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

also...I don't think the Pacific Northwest is *that* much
more civilized than the rest of the US. (I've lived there,
I know.) So don't LYAO too hard...

Generally speaking, people are nice in the NW;
however, if you're an outsider, people can be really
mean: more so in Seattle than in Portland. Some of
the most malevolent people I've encountered (as an
"outsider") were in Seattle, not New York. (This is just
my personal experience...I'm not trying to start a
NY vs. Seattle thing.) http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

Chexy,

I anxiously await your answer. And be nice. I met Yummyham and she's OK.

YH,

Let me know how they treat you. I'll be at the SEA DO in August; and we're all going to see the Yankees once again clip Seattle's wings. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif <<< will be wearing my YANKEE cap.

Dan

Yankees suck. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

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But it's a dry heat.

Fleece-land would have been a better comeback.

simple use of the phrase "that much more" seems to admit that folks in the Pacific Northwest are more civilized.

Malevolence? Ever ask for directions in NY? Ever say HI and smile to a random person in NY? Ever try to start a conversation with someone who you don't know in NY?

Just don't use a big golf umbrella, don't jaywalk and you'll be fine in Seattle.

well you're doing a good job at it.

AGAIN, in conclusion, I feel that you will be perfectly fine wearing the "ugly NY apparel". The sports fans in Seattle are not of the same ilk as northeast sports fans (i.e. chasing folks out of Veterans Stadium for wearing an Aikman jersey OR throwing food at people in MSG for sporting an Elton Brand t-shirt). Although, those incidents can be found in other stadiums actoss the country, it is highly unlikely it will happen at Safeco, Key Arena, Seahawk Stadium, Bank of America Arena or Husky Stadium! It's simple, Seattle sports fans just aren't as rabid as sports fans in other cities.

I've seen plenty of Skanky, whoops I mean Yankee, gear at Mariners games and haven't witnessed any hostility. What annoys me is anyone rooting obnoxiously for the other team. Come to think of it, rooting obnoxiously for any team. You know--screaming right in my ear or at inappropriate times, etc. Just be civilized yourself and people will respond good naturedly back.

BTW, I hope you have tickets already, cuz ya can't just walk up and buy them.

And you can't start a "NY versus Seattle thing" and then just say you're not so only you get to be insulting.

chexie-
bank of america arena - its still hec ed to
most of us!

yh
sigh, wear what you want, this is seattle where gore-tex goes with prada.

lala

As long as you don't drink too much and don't respond to the Mariner fans who scream "Yankees suck," you should be fine. That being said, the pain of the past two ALCS is palpable in Marinerville.

I WILL NOT get excited about the Mariner's regular season success. 116 wins doesn't mean a thing if you don't get to the World Series. I will get excited after they win their seventh post season game and are headed for the World Series.

Go Mariners!

TravelWeary:
You're right that I can't say that I don't want to start
a two-city rivalry thread while slipping in a jab. I was
simply responding to the unnecessary "ugly" modifier
used by Chexfan.


Lalala:
I lovelovelove your comment ("this is seattle where
gore-tex goes with prada.) so true!


Dan:
Thanks for defending me in anticipation of Chexfan's
response...(wish I could make the Brooklyn tour, but
will be in PDX that weekend...)

Chexfan:
<"Fleece-land would have been a better comeback.">
What are ya? A writer, or something? http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

<"Ever ask for directions in NY? Ever say HI and smile to
a random person in NY? Ever try to start a conversation
with someone who you don't know in NY?">
All the time! And with positive results (most of the time)
Especially when I first moved here six years ago from (dare
I say it, lest I trigger another city-bashing thread) L.A. It's
interesting that your experiences here in NY are almost
exactly the same that I've had in the NW. My favorite is
when people in Seattle speak loudly and v e r y
s l o w l y to me so that I might understand their English
better. (Nevermind that I'm American-born). My point,
Chexfan, is that our respective experiences in different cities
have been and will be different. If (and that's a big "if") you're
ever in NY, look me up and I'll show you the nice side.

I started this thread out of a genuine curiosity about
Seattle fans' reactions to fans from other cities. My (PDX)
boyfriend was so adamant about the hatred that Seattle
has towards NY that I wanted to investigate it myself.
I was hoping to avoid the qualifiers and judgments, but
I guess that was wishful on my part.

I'm not even a die-hard Yankees fan anyway. I'm more of
a "bandwagon" fan anyway, since I live here now. (Kinda
like the newbie-bandwagon-Safeco Mariners fans). I've seen
for myself how harsh NY fans can get even *before* the game
starts (e.g., heckling the little girl singing the national anthem.)
That was brutal, but kind of funny...and *very* symbolic...

In closing...
Chexfan: I'm sorry I got into it with you. Maybe our paths
will cross in a RCC one day and we can talk over drinks
and say good things about the two cities (three cities, if you
want to include LA.) http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

to the rest:
thank you for the useful and humorous responses.

Though I'm not an M's fan, I do love Ichiro! Gotta love him!
Banzai Ichiro! (and Sasaki!)

You could wear Angel uniforms and get laughed at! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

ps: Even though we suck this year (and last), I still have to go on the company tickets!

I went to a Yankees game last week, and was reminded how "civilized" Seattle fans are, comparitively. You can wear anything you want to the game, and the fans won't make anywhere near as much of a deal, as if you had said the opposites team name in Yankee Stadium. Have a great time. What day are you going? I'm thinking about going Saturday, so I still have Fri/Sun tickets left.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by yummyham:


I've seen
for myself how harsh NY fans can get even *before* the game
starts (e.g., heckling the little girl singing the national anthem.)

<<< YH, you must mean METS fans! LOL http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

Dan

mymiles2go:
Thank you for the constructive input. My boyfriend's co-worker
had ten extra tickets this morning for Saturday's game. Unfortunately,
he said he feels compelled to divulge the fact that I'm a Yankees fan
because the co-worker might rethink passing along some of his season
tickets to a New Yorker. I haven't heard back yet, so I'm assuming
that we've been declined the tickets. (oh well...)

dan:
yes, as a matter of fact, they were Mets fans...

Hi,

You'll be fine wearing any team apparel you like - even the Yankees, as long as you do not get too boisterous about the Yanks.

But even then, all you'll get back from being boisterous is a bunch of yells and catcalls.

Wear the Yankees gear, I say. Just don't sit next to me! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/tongue.gif

(Actually, I do not have any tix to the Yankee series - phooey!)

[This message has been edited by Mikey (edited 04-23-2002).]

I am a dyed-in-the-wool, Mickey-Mantle-hung-the-moon, love-it-when-Rivera-takes-the-mound Yankees fan living in Seattle. Mariners fans sneer, frown, and grumble, but they don't usually bite, fight, or spit at the sight of Yankees paraphernalia. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

WHOA WHOA WHOA there Chex. Lumping Husky football fans together with the rest of the Seattle sports scene is a big no-no. There is a huge difference between the rabidity of Dawg fans and the rest of Seattle's sporting landscape. Dawgs fans care about their football team through thick and thin.

Thank you, flytoeat. There need to be more M's fans who do not think that 116 wins is so darn special. Getting to the World Series is special, and until they get there, they will be underacheivers/chokers.

About the only hostility in the Northwest is between Washington and Wazzou, and even more between Washington and Oregon. Hostility over baseball? ROTFLMAO!

Ahh... the wonderful lack of understanding due to the written word on the internet.

The "ugly NY apparel" I was referring may have been veiled in my first reply, however, if anyone took the time to read my second reply, they would notice that when I said "NY", I was referring to one of the Yankees logos (click here if you missed it the first time). It was not an attack on the wordrobe of all New Yorkers as you so personally took it. *yawn* http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/rolleyes.gif

If you have time, I would truly appreciate it if you could show me how to transpose the Y over the N, in text, next time so this misunderstanding can be avoided going into the future.

I must say, however, I am strongly offended with you calling Seattle "Lumberjack-land". I have a friend who was seriously injured and has a permanent injury due to a freak chainsaw accident. He was wearing a flannel shirt at the time. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/frown.gif

Anyways, I don't see the personal vendetta against me? I say N-Y apparel is "ugly" and the guns come out a blazin'. Yet, TW calls it "skanky", and it's alright? Gee that makes alot of sense. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/confused.gif

I have luckily just ended an eight month tour of heading to the New York/New Jersey area on a weekly basis. I guess it may upset you that your insinuation that I have no experience in The Big Apple is completely incorrect.

Regarding the "nice side" I was hoping that the other New York locals would have done this already. But to no avail, that is, unless you consider the wonderful Latvian Gaucho100k, A Freak and I met! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

And I truly fail to see how my first reply didn't do this. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/frown.gif It was answered quickly and matter of factly that it would be silly to worry about being harassed in Seattle for wearing Yankees garb.

The simple notion of a Yankee fan "fearing their safety" at Safeco for simply wearing their teams colors made me Laugh My A55 Off. I would think when I replied:
It would have been clear, but I guess somehow it wasn't.

I should have realized that with the ending qualifier in your initial inquiry of:
That my humorous and matter of fact reply to your question wouldn't be appreciated. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/frown.gif

As for running into me at an RCC, I usually always post my itins, so keep an eye open.

I'm assuming this doesn't include me. Even though I fail to see how both of my replies are lacking in information and humor. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/frown.gif

I went to a game at Safeco 2 years ago wearing a Yankees hat (although the Yankees weren't there) and there was no problem.

Honestly, you can safely wear anybody's paraphernalia in Yankee Stadium, except Boston's. We have to draw the line somewhere. Neither would I wear my hat in Fenway, unless I was suitably accompanied.

Thank you Yummyham (an Angeleno, no less!) for setting the record straight about New Yorkers. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif <<< will not be sitting next to Yankee cap wearers.

dearest male linder: I disagree. Go to a Notre Dame, Penn State or Ohio State football game and you see rabidity.

Since you only mention the faithfulness of Dawg fans to the football team, I will not go over my trip to Hec Ed for a UO/UW game. I will say that I remained unscathed at a UO/UW game at Husky Stadium, where I waved a "Huck the Fuskies" sign. Even after explaining to some purple and gold folks what the sign meant! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

Jeez... that was my first reply! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif

Never ever wear anything boston releated to a yankees game.Heck i was at fenway when i was younger and pointed out to my mom that the yanks were losing on the out of town score board and people pelted me....I have to say that seattle fans are usually nice to other teams fans when ive been there.Of course dont expect the same in Ny http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif.
-howie
Lets go yankees!!! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

res ipsa loquitor

HA! No one gives a d@amn in PDX when you jaywalk ... do it all the time, yes, even in front of the local gendarme. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

A couple years ago, I flew to New York for the Braves-Mets series and wore a John Rocker jersey on the 7 train and to Shea Stadium with a ballistic vest underneath. I had a very interestign trip, and wrote this report about it.

originally posted by chexfan:
"I must say, however, I am strongly offended with you calling Seattle "Lumberjack-land". I have a friend who was seriously injured and has a permanent injury due to a freak chainsaw accident. He was wearing a flannel shirt at the time."

Why would you go down that road? Obviously, I had no idea about
your injured friend and what he was wearing. If I did, I certainly would
have had the manners and tact to avoid making such a reference.
Whereas you continually criticize the logo of a team that was adored
by many victims from Sept.11. Isn't that just as offensive?

Ding ding ding: new FT low

Dragging 9/11 and the alleged adoration of the Yankmes into this discussion.

How many ways can we pander to that travesty? What's next? Bashing the DeadSox for trading Babe Ruth? Links to fake pictures of Osama wearing Mariners logo gear?

Go D'backs...

Added 24APR02

Had a nice email from yummyham who is concerned about her post and how some of us have interpreted same. As most of us realize, it is difficult to convey tone and almost all that we write can be (mis)construed.

Personally, I sincerely apologize for the first line of my post (above). Considering all the events I've seen on FT, yummyham's post is hardly a new FT low.



[This message has been edited by onefreeman (edited 04-24-2002).]

continual: con·tin·u·al
Pronunciation: k&n-'tin-yü-&l, -y&l
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French, from Latin continuus continuous
Date: 14th century
1 : continuing indefinitely in time without interruption <continual fear>
2 : recurring in steady usually rapid succession <a history of continual invasions>

Upon review, I have made one comment describing New York Yankees clothing and referenced it one other time. Yet someone else has mentioned it four times in their posts, and I am the one who is "continually" bringing it up? I wonder what Misters Merriam and Webster would have to say about that one?

Anyways, being a fan of glass artwork by Dale Chihuly (everyone should see his stuff on display at the Seattle Art Museum while you're in town.) and glass in general, it's a shame my real estate agent friend in NYC didn't alert me to the abundance of glass apartments on sale in the metro area.

AGAIN, to end this thread, I feel that if anyone was to wear New York Yankees clothing feeling safe at Safeco shouldn't be a worry.

Is there a difference between Yanks and the Mets?

Hey! That was a typo--skanky, yanky! What did ugly rhyme with? And what are you my little brother trying to get himself out of trouble by pointing his finger at me? :}

[This message has been edited by TravelWeary (edited 04-24-2002).]

God, I LOVE these kind of threads.

Ok! My 17 cents:

New York: Better strip clubs and Broadway is pretty cool. Definitely best restaurants. But face it folks, you are rude and agressive. Take it as I mean it: a compliment.

LA: Best enjoyed one Yard(house) at a time. The laidbackness hides a wicked passive-agressive streak.

Seattle: I've yet to meet anyone there that I didnt like. But the laidbackness hides some serious fascist tendencies (try walking against the light and you'll see what I mean).

Portland: Well, VSOI. www.portlandf*ckingsucks.com

As for baseball, I quit caring once the players and owners raped the fans out of the World Series. Why would ANYONE care to support those bloated arrogant cretons? Sure, I still go to an ocassional game (including, in the past year a Yankee, Orioles, Mariners, Dodgers and Giants game). OK, maybe more then ocassiona, but frankly I go for the beer and leave once it stops flowing...

And to get back on topic, I wore a San Francisco 49ers cap to the Mariners game last summer, and was left well enough alone...of course I was sitting in the first row of the club level, so......


[This message has been edited by A Freak (edited 04-24-2002).]

As long as you're not connecting through PHL on your way to SEA, you probably won't get beat up.

Let's introduce Oakland into the mix. How classy was it yesterday when they boo'd Giambi every time he came to bat. Some sports fans are so classless.

Yankees still suck.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/frown.gif Guess I'll just have to sit alone.

Note to drtravels, wanna know the difference between Mets and Yankee fans? WE WIN! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif

Note to Yummyham and Chexy.
I've had the pleasure of meeting both of you. I've also had the pleasure of being involved with misunderstood posts. So with that said, take your goves off and shake hands.

Dan

I'm not going to compare the Washington football program to Notre Dame or Penn State or Ohio State (although in the past 3 years the purple and gold have been far more successful than that trio.). Actually, I will compare it to Notre Dame, where half the fans sold their tickets to Nebraska fans 2 years ago. Off the top of my head, OSU, PSU, Tennessee, the Florida schools, Nebraska, Michigan, Oklahoma, Texas and Texas A&M probably have better fans. But thats about it.

I was simply comparing Husky football fans to fans of other Seattle sporting entities. In this comparison, the devotion of Dawg fans far eclipses the devotion of Mariner, Sonic and Seahawk fans.

As for a UO/UW game at Husky Stadium, unless it wasn't football, it was 3 years ago. Huck the Fuskies isn't uncommon; we got that from K-State fans and Texas fans at the Holiday bowls. If it was the UW victory at night 3 seasons ago vs. Oregon, then I don't know what our fans were doing. I do know, however, the Colorado fans were definately harassed in 1999. I know that Oregon alums who drive to Eugene from the state of Washington find their cars (thanks to their WA state tags) vandalized. I know that Oregon fans throw dog feces on Husky players in Eugene. And Oregon receives similar treatment from us. Its not the same level as other rivalries, but its the best of the worst the Northwest has to offer.

Back to the thread. Wear whatever the heck you want to Safeco field. No one cares. In fact, I hope there are lots of Yankee fans in the stadium this weekend. It will show how sad Mariners' ticket holders are for selling their tickets while their team plays some of the best regular season baseball in history.

People are mauled weekly in Seattle for wearing Yankees gear. I've seen groups drag people to Westlake Center and stone them. It is not safe. Don't wear a Yankees shirt. Your life could be in danger.

Just kidding. You should be fine. Maybe a couple of hecklers in the stands, all I could foresee.

So aside from the Mariners, was anyone beaten or abused at this weekend's series?

Ichiro Suzuki was beaten and abused by Mariano Rivera.

Nice job Yankees. Get ready New York, here come the road warrior Mariners next weekend.