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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by wharvey: UH oh... is this OFF topic?</font> |
Geez,Koko, every time I write you off as a useless, flakey, boozing charmer, you come forth with something truly brilliant and thoughtful. Now I remember why I love you so much. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif
Like I said, I haven't read all of Goldlust's posts but, having met him and having raised very bright children through the rebellious teenage years, I have learned that sometimes the best thing to do with their ideas with which you very much disagree is wait until they grow out of them. It really seems to happen quite quickly and often. What I was actually trying to say was that during the time I sent in real-life with Goldlust, I noticed that while his English was amazing, there were a few major language faux pas that he made without really realizing the social implications of what he had said. It came across as the kind of interpretaion one sometimes puts on things about which one has read but not lived. When we discussed these things, he understood why they might be more offensive than he had intended. My suggestion in my first post was that perhaps some of that was in play on FT. And I sincerely hope, Goldlust that you do not construe any of the above as a negative comment on your command of the English language. Quite to the contrary, I am totally in awe of the fact that you speak so well, never having lived in an English speaking country. Even my beloved OLDER brother Rudi who is gracious to a fault and has had many, many more years to practice his English, does from time to time not catch all of the nuances. I for one very much appreciate being exposed to all sides of Judaic/Islamic/Christian issues as I truly want to understand why we children of a common Father have spent the last couple of thousand years trying to eliminate one another. I believe that it is only through learning an understanding that we can eventually achieve peace. OBTW, my friend NJDavid write: <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Punki is so charming in person that she would find Atilla-The-Hun delightful. In fact, I'm beginning to think that this may be a prerequesite for being an undesirable - having been found to be a delightful person by Punki. ;~)</font> There are a lot of very undesirable folk out there that I don't find even remotely tolerable, let alone delightful. I just try very hard (whenever possible) to ignore them and/or pretend they don't exist. |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Punki: Actually his lovely wife is one of the most delightful people I know.</font> |
Punki: Shhhhhh! You're going to ruin my rep!
David: ROFLMAO!!! |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by missydarlin: I'm sure he's the not the only one who doesnt understand my sense of humor, which is what started the little tiff in the first place. But to use the "english as a second language" reasoning just doesnt fly. His posts as well the emails that I have personally exchanged with him reflect that he has enough of a command of the English language to understand when he's being insulting himself. </font> --Magdalena |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by kokonutz: Three years ago, Temple sold a home game against Tech to RFK staduim and nearly 30,000 local Hokies showed up http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif</font> Game? You call that a game! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif As I recall, games are supposed to be competitive and the final outcome should ideally be in some doubt! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif --- And I naturally agree with your other comments! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by kokonutz: A few comments/suggestions (and I write these to EVERYONE, not just Goldlust or his detractors): 1) Just because someone disagrees with you does not make them a moron or even stupid. 2) When someone says (or writes) something that makes you angry, the best thing you can do is take advantage of that opportunity for self-examination. WHY did the comment make you angry? What does that reaction say about who you are and what you think. Are you reacting before reflecting? Why? Taking your emotional reaction, intellectualizing it and learning from it is a mark of true wisdom! 3) If after (2) you feel the need to respond, do so intelligently and focus on the arguments not the arguer. If you feel that the statements do not merit a response (or you just don't feel like expending the effort it would take to argue against something you think is prima facie wrong or disagreeable) simply state that you disagree and/or just walk away. 4) Accept the fact that no matter how eloquent and sophisticated your arguments are or how right you feel, people will continue to disagree with you. Getting frustrated about this leads to unproductive name calling which, by the way, makes YOU look worse then the person with whom you disagree!!!! 5) As much as it hurts to say it, even the people with whom we disagee on most things are right (even brilliant) sometimes. Now, I'll be the first to admit that I do not always take my own advice, but Lord knows I TRY to...</font> |
NJDavid...shame on you! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif
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Commander Catcop says he's mad I didn't tell him of the Talk Board elections or he would run. And he says WIN BIG! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif
NJDavid: May I come retire on your island of retired cat herders! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif If this fighting contineus I'm going to need to retire early! |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Catman: If this fighting contineus I'm going to need to retire early!</font> |
Moderator,
While I haven't read the post by Goldlust (yet), I think it's time to close this post. Here's why...many people have bashed goldlust (and maybe he deserves it), but enough is enough. Flyertalkers have now expressed their opinions on this topic. And as we all know, flyertalkers will continue to express their opinions for days and weeks to come regarding this matter(unless you close the post). I think continuing this topic of conversation will only serve to ...prolong the agony, and continue to show the negative side of all who post (right or wrong), as long as the thread stays open. Everyone had their say. That's good. P.S. to Goldlust. I'm going to read your post now. I'll be happy to sit down with you at the PIP and explain how Americans feel. Dan |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Catman: NJDavid: May I come retire on your island of retired cat herders! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif If this fighting contineus I'm going to need to retire early!</font> |
Dan,
I am looking very much forward to seeing you and many others at the PiP2001 - and I'd be happy to hear your take on things. I disagree with the sentiment that bashing of an individual here can be justified under any circumstances. It cannot and should not. I also feel that I am now pretty much immune to further bashing http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif I did post here because I felt (still feel) that it is an important Community question how we treat oneanother here as well as in real life. Part of the global community that I seek to find here consists of mutual understanding and respect for everybody, no matter how different their views may be from one's own. (and I still want to taste your wine http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif ) As I also wrote in the Election Results thread I will set aside all personal conflicts in my actions as a TalkBoard member - hopefully, my election will lead to an even greater tolerance also on my part. [This message has been edited by Goldlust (edited 10-11-2001).] |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Goldlust: I felt (still feel) that it is an important Community question how we treat oneanother here as well as in real life. Part of the global community that I seek to find here consists of mutual understanding and respect for everybody, no matter how different their views may be from one's own. </font> I hope your posts are not representative of how you interact with people in real life. To be kind, they are ignorantly insensitive. If that's not the case than they are intentionally inflammatory. I want to be clear that it is not your opinion that is offensive, it's your delivery. I personally love a good debate and welcome a healthy and civil exchange of ideas. All in all, I find Flyertalkers to be an incredibly intelligent, diverse and open-minded group. Might I suggest one book that has helped me convey my opinions more effectively. Dale Carnegie's "How to win Friends and Influence People." One other quick note regarding the difference between here and real-life. You can assume people will be more civil in real life. That civility often obscures the real truth. On the other hand, anonymity (or the perception of it) often leads to people displaying their real or unbiased opinions without sugar-coating it with civility. Good or bad, the truth often comes out. Anyway, best wishes and I regret I cannot attend the PiP. I'm going to be in Prague later this month, and can't take the time off to join in. Sincerely, Freefaller12k |
Originally posted by Goldlust:
I also feel that I am now pretty much immune to further bashing Why - because you are on the board? That is almost the most obnoxious thing you have so far said. And if you think that being on the board makes you a boss - I hope that Randy will quickly disabuse you of that notion |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by jan_az: Originally posted by Goldlust: I also feel that I am now pretty much immune to further bashing Why - because you are on the board? </font> [This message has been edited by Goldlust (edited 10-13-2001).] [This message has been edited by Goldlust (edited 10-13-2001).] |
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