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MinetaFlyer Jan 21, 2009 5:32 pm

Obama and Visa fee
 
Is it likely that the Obama administration will lower the visa fee from countries like China, Brazil and Chile? If so, when might that happen, and how long would you expect it to take for those countries to reciprocate?

iahphx Jan 21, 2009 10:00 pm

Not sure why you'd think Obama will lower the Visa fee. I guess you can spin a theory that because he lived briefly overseas and is more interested in "pleasing the world" he'll see the "error of our ways" and lower the US entry fee.

Personally, I wouldn't bet on it. :)

moondog Jan 22, 2009 2:19 am


Originally Posted by iahphx (Post 11120147)
Not sure why you'd think Obama will lower the Visa fee.

I'll second this. OP: What gives you reason to believe that this idea is even on the table?

rkkwan Jan 22, 2009 11:10 am


Originally Posted by moondog (Post 11120734)
I'll second this. OP: What gives you reason to believe that this idea is even on the table?

Some people believe the current administration will reverse every thing that the previous one has done.

anacapamalibu Jan 22, 2009 11:15 am

Can't erase the casualties in Iraq.

rkkwan Jan 22, 2009 11:21 am


Originally Posted by anacapamalibu (Post 11123065)
Can't erase the casualties in Iraq.

Guess I should have said, it will "try to reverse"...

jiejie Jan 22, 2009 11:25 am


Originally Posted by MinetaFlyer (Post 11118797)
Is it likely that the Obama administration will lower the visa fee from countries like China, Brazil and Chile? If so, when might that happen, and how long would you expect it to take for those countries to reciprocate?

If I recall correctly, the rule that applicants for US visas must pay for the full cost of processing--hence the relatively high fees--was enacted by the legislature (Congress), not by executive action of the President. So Obama cannot unilaterally reverse or amend this law.

Don't bet on the law changing. Except as with all things, the fees are likely to go up over time, not down.

YVR Cockroach Jan 22, 2009 11:29 am


Originally Posted by MinetaFlyer (Post 11118797)
Is it likely that the Obama administration will lower the visa fee from countries like China, Brazil and Chile? If so, when might that happen, and how long would you expect it to take for those countries to reciprocate?

Doubt it. I think Congress first set this one as part of a budget-balancing item (so he`ll have to ask them to reduce it) a long time ago and also as part of the user pays doctrine. Canada and the U.K. have bought into this doctrine.

Loren Pechtel Jan 22, 2009 12:25 pm


Originally Posted by YVR Cockroach (Post 11123162)
Doubt it. I think Congress first set this one as part of a budget-balancing item (so he`ll have to ask them to reduce it) a long time ago and also as part of the user pays doctrine. Canada and the U.K. have bought into this doctrine.

Agreed.

We do a lot more checking on visas than most countries do. Of course our visas are expensive.

moondog Jan 22, 2009 7:02 pm


Originally Posted by jiejie (Post 11123136)
If I recall correctly, the rule that applicants for US visas must pay for the full cost of processing

This was my thinking when I posted. As everyone knows, DHS has an enormous budget; visa fees are expected to cover their direct and indirect impacts upon this budget. If anything, I would guess that the $130 figure is a bit on the low side (in light of inelastic demand).

No matter how much our new president dislikes the DHS, he's not going to make it disappear overnight. Moreover, I couldn't imagine (in my wildest dreams) that he'd offload any more administrative costs onto US tax payers.

anacapamalibu Jan 24, 2009 11:54 am

Better to travel to China now. year 2005 RMB/dollar 8.2/1 now 5.84/1 edited (6.84)/1
According to Obama their currency is manipulated, so might adjust to 4 or less/1.

So even if visa fee US to China dropped in half, total cost for a trip to China would increase due to the exchange rate change.

moondog Jan 24, 2009 11:59 am


Originally Posted by anacapamalibu (Post 11134454)
Better to travel to China now. year 2005 RMB/dollar 8.2/1 now 5.84/1
According to Obama their currency is manipulated, so might adjust to 4 or less/1.

So even if visa fee US to China dropped in half, total cost for a trip to China would increase due to the exchange rate change.

I'm seeing 6.84070 on xe.com.

anacapamalibu Jan 24, 2009 12:20 pm


Originally Posted by moondog (Post 11134483)
I'm seeing 6.84070 on xe.com.

That's right. 6.84

I hope Obama goes to visit China soon. I believe he will make a good impression with the Chinese and he will enjoy their food.

rkkwan Jan 25, 2009 1:01 am

From all the analysts and pundits I've been reading, most expect the relationship between US and China to be more rocky with the new administration - from trade deficit figure, food safety, to human rights records...

I don't know why some of you here think it'd be the opposite.

anacapamalibu Jan 25, 2009 9:43 am


Originally Posted by rkkwan (Post 11137234)
From all the analysts and pundits I've been reading, most expect the relationship between US and China to be more rocky with the new administration - from trade deficit figure, food safety, to human rights records...

I don't know why some of you here think it'd be the opposite.

Obama has family ties to China. His half brother lives there and is married to
a Chinese woman. Not that this in itself makes a difference, but I believe its
unique to a US president.

RichardInSF Jan 25, 2009 3:29 pm

Beginning to wonder why this thread isn't in Omni/PR!

anacapamalibu Jan 25, 2009 9:35 pm

Visa reciprocity...what about permanent resident reciprocity?


Obama's brother with a degree from Brown University, a masters in physics
from Stanford and and MBA from Emory..speaks fluent putonghua and writes in Chinese calligraphy.

And has a hit video on youku.


http://buzz.youku.com/2009/01/18/bar...er-in-concert/

rkkwan Jan 25, 2009 10:04 pm

Go to Google News, and search for "China Yuan Manipulator" and see the most recent relationship between US and China as reported by the press around the world, since last Thursday, two days after inauguration.

anacapamalibu Jan 25, 2009 11:34 pm


Originally Posted by rkkwan (Post 11141900)
Go to Google News, and search for "China Yuan Manipulator" and see the most recent relationship between US and China .

I do hope that when Obama flys into Beijing the Chinese will dispense
with "Hei Gui" and " Fei Zhou Ren" and use the proper address of "Commander-In-Chief" Mei Guo Ren.

well all else fails "Xin Nian Kuai Le!"^

MinetaFlyer Jan 27, 2009 2:47 pm

Thanks for the replies. I forgot I started this thread. I still have time to get the visa. I thought he, well Congress, might lower visa fees to stimulate tourism, or because visas really didn't cost that much to process.

rkkwan Jan 27, 2009 3:51 pm


Originally Posted by MinetaFlyer (Post 11152813)
Thanks for the replies. I forgot I started this thread. I still have time to get the visa. I thought he, well Congress, might lower visa fees to stimulate tourism, or because visas really didn't cost that much to process.

Considering that most if not all US consulates and the embassy in China are always very busy with long lines and quotas for Chinese citizens to get in, the State Department may need to hire more people or build more consulates. Those may not be cheap.

And seriously, when has the US Federal Government (including the Congressional branch) ever really cared about tourism to the US?

anacapamalibu Jan 27, 2009 3:59 pm


Originally Posted by rkkwan (Post 11153248)
Considering that most if not all US consulates and the embassy in China are always very busy with long lines and quotas for Chinese citizens to get in, the State Department may need to hire more people or build more consulates. Those may not be cheap.

And seriously, when has the US Federal Government (including the Congressional branch) ever really cared about tourism to the US?

They just built a huge new Embassy in Beijing. Bush amd his papa were there to open it right before the Olympics.

They allowed limited Chinese workers to build it, security reasons?

YVR Cockroach Jan 27, 2009 4:05 pm

The U.S. should worry about the fact they need China to finance the stimulus (and huge budgetary deficit).

rkkwan Jan 27, 2009 5:45 pm


Originally Posted by YVR Cockroach (Post 11153326)
The U.S. should worry about the fact they need China to finance the stimulus (and huge budgetary deficit).

The Chinese buying the U.S. Treasuries was one of the main fuel for the last bubble. Where else would the Chinese park their money? And if the Chinese let the U.S. went into a deep depression, who's going to buy all their products?

dh01 Jan 27, 2009 6:26 pm

Well, with a pretty big deficit, and more on the way, seems rather unlikely that the US government is going to lower fees on ANYTHING.....they need every cent they can get.

moondog Jan 27, 2009 11:34 pm


Originally Posted by MinetaFlyer (Post 11152813)
Thanks for the replies. I forgot I started this thread. I still have time to get the visa. I thought he, well Congress, might lower visa fees to stimulate tourism, or because visas really didn't cost that much to process.

As you must know, the DHS has an astronomical budget, much of which gets passed on to things like visa processing. Furthermore, I would venture to guess that the actual cost of processing US visas is pretty close to the break-even point (the interviewers are all on nice salaries and the new embassy wasn't cheap; I bumped into a lot of the construction workers at various bars and they were all from San Antonio).

Jamoldo Jan 27, 2009 11:40 pm


Originally Posted by rkkwan (Post 11153858)
The Chinese buying the U.S. Treasuries was one of the main fuel for the last bubble. Where else would the Chinese park their money? And if the Chinese let the U.S. went into a deep depression, who's going to buy all their products?

All true points.. Response to the bolded text below.

So was our unquenchable thirst for debt and things we wanted but couldn't afford with our savings/incomes. Everything has to equal out, right?

rkkwan Jan 27, 2009 11:46 pm


Originally Posted by Jamoldo (Post 11155395)
All true points.. Response to the bolded text below.

So was our unquenchable thirst for debt and things we wanted but couldn't afford with our savings/incomes. Everything has to equal out, right?

Totally agree. Americans were hungry to spend, spend and spend; while Chinese were willing to lend, even at pretty low yield. Bubble made in heaven.

anacapamalibu Jan 28, 2009 9:31 am


Originally Posted by moondog (Post 11155381)
(the interviewers are all on nice salaries and the new embassy wasn't cheap; I bumped into a lot of the construction workers at various bars and they were all from San Antonio).

That's a coincidence, that's Bush's home state.:D

jiejie Jan 30, 2009 5:56 am

No coincidence. The Construction Manager of Record was Zachry Construction of San Antonio. Selection of this company for this plum (lucrative) project, was completely political in nature due to its Texas/Bush/Republican connections, this is a well known fact. Most of the site and project managers were from the San Antonio area, but many of the other US construction personnel were from other locations.

The new embassy consists of multiple buildings. Chinese personnel were only used for certain tasks in some of the support buildings. When the Chancery (most sensitive part) was constructed, the entire site was cleared of all people except for US construction staff with Security Clearances.

anacapamalibu Jan 31, 2009 11:13 am

Obama phoned Hu.

Looks like Obama is headed for China soon.^


The Chinese statement said Hu invited Obama to visit China "as soon as is convenient for both sides" and that Obama replied by saying he expected to visit China "at an early date."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090131...20090131055621

anacapamalibu Feb 8, 2009 8:42 pm

滴水穿石

brick by brick..he gonna make it stick

bearbrick Feb 11, 2009 8:25 am


Originally Posted by jiejie (Post 11169937)
No coincidence. The Construction Manager of Record was Zachry Construction of San Antonio. Selection of this company for this plum (lucrative) project, was completely political in nature due to its Texas/Bush/Republican connections, this is a well known fact. .

.............NO NO NO this cant be true !!! ??? !!! favours and political considerations determine awards of contracts ??...in a democracy ???!!! NO !!:rolleyes:

jie jie ...thank you.. i am really pleased that someone still calls a spade a spade ....^;)

best Feb 12, 2009 4:10 pm

It would encourage travel to lower the VISA fees.


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