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Originally Posted by trueblu
(Post 31341551)
The issue about the lack of play store access is also a very real one. I can't download from the play store or update my apps when I have a Chinese SIM card in my (first gen) Pixel, even with VPN. The issues about pinging Google can be fixed with some googling (to excuse the pun), but again would need a working VPN to access the required information (I can't recall offhand what I needed to do, but I DID need to do something).
tb
Originally Posted by moondog
(Post 31342866)
As you know, I don't actively endorse breaking laws, but you're deluding yourself if you believe the system is air tight (progress has been made, but there's a long way to go).
But, let's say someone writes "Hilton", and border control people decide to visit a handful of Hiltons, none of which have a clue about the friend. He still isn't in violation of any rules at that point. For all they know, he fled off to some rural area (where people have 72 hours to register), and is going to leave the next morning. |
Originally Posted by STS-134
(Post 31348294)
I think you're misinformed. When you enter China with a valid visa in your passport, you are allowed to go anywhere, so you could have fled off to a rural area. But when you enter China on TWOV, you are not allowed to leave the city in which you entered/are leaving from. No one's doing a border check at the city/province limit to make sure you don't, but that's technically against the rules. Therefore, you only have 24 hours to register. Now for a 1 night trip where you're crashing at a friend's place, and departing the next day at a time earlier than you arrived, you legitimately could have been partying all night at local bars/clubs, but anything longer and they'll know you broke the rules.
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Originally Posted by moondog
(Post 31348428)
All of the 72/144 hour zones include an abundance of rural lands.
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Originally Posted by STS-134
(Post 31348500)
I was under the impression that the entire area encompassed by the provincial level cities of Beijing/Shanghai was considered urban. Actually, what is the definition of a "rural area" in China? In the US, it's any place outside of an incorporated area with a population of 2500 or greater (I am not sure how this affects places like Maui County, which only has administrative divisions down to the county level AND has a population of > 2500 for the entire county).
I don't recommend doing this since it is against regulation, the train journeys are trackable, if any authority wants to bother with following your movements, and it would be exhausting. Needless to say, anybody trying this would be wise to book and pay for a hotel/hostel in the Shanghai region AND show up to register before sneaking out of town. This serves as "insurance" so that you are seen in a database as registered, even if your goal is to physically be elsewhere. Because when you try to exit China and the database pops up, and there's no record of you registering anywhere, the questions may start. Note that this "insurance" is likely to end up being as expensive as just getting a Chinese visa to begin with, and staying completely legal and not having to look over your shoulder constantly. |
Originally Posted by STS-134
(Post 31348500)
I was under the impression that the entire area encompassed by the provincial level cities of Beijing/Shanghai was considered urban. Actually, what is the definition of a "rural area" in China? In the US, it's any place outside of an incorporated area with a population of 2500 or greater (I am not sure how this affects places like Maui County, which only has administrative divisions down to the county level AND has a population of > 2500 for the entire county).
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Originally Posted by jiejie
(Post 31348585)
I don't recommend doing this since it is against regulation, the train journeys are trackable, if any authority wants to bother with following your movements, and it would be exhausting.
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Again with the --this is not to be construed as advice-- caveat, many car rental companies don't care if renters have Chinese licenses.
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Only a fool would think of driving in China without a proper license.
Deepsix this dumb idea. It's irresponsible to even raise it. |
Originally Posted by 889
(Post 31349538)
Only a fool would think of driving in China without a proper license.
Deepsix this dumb idea. It's irresponsible to even raise it. |
Originally Posted by STS-134
(Post 31348294)
I'm not sure what you're talking about. I've used Chinese SIM cards in my Galaxy Nexus and Nexus 5 and didn't have any issues, even though the "no network" symbol with the "x" on it showed up over the LTE connection symbol. The real issue occurs when you use a foreign SIM and try to get on WiFi. When you get on WiFi, the phone will connect to it, but will think it has no internet connection. In order to force it to use the WiFi, you have to swipe down from the top and click on "Mobile Data" to kill the LTE connection (which forces it to use the WiFi) and THEN you turn on your VPN. And when you leave the WiFi coverage area, you have to do the reverse to disable VPN and re-enable LTE. Extremely annoying. I was thinking of getting a VPN router for my wife's parents' house just so I don't have to deal with this crap. And I've complained Google about this for the past 3 years and they just don't seem to care.
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Nothing immoral about driving without a license in China.
It's just plain dumb. But there is a silver lining. If you’re in an accident and can't produce a license, you won't have to worry whether your ”lodging" will properly register you with the PSB. |
Originally Posted by Ricebucket
(Post 31350362)
This is exactly what I'm talking about when I mentioned wifi problems earlier. The cause is well known, but Google cannot fix this. Well, Google can circumvent this, but it's not in Google's interest, so they will not. (If you don't understand the last statement, think harder...)
You provide a switch for users to control: 1. Whether the system uses a captive portal to determine network connectivity 2. If (1) is set to TRUE, allow user to adjust which captive portal is used The default settings should be what they are currently. I'd simply disable captive portals entirely, which BTW is how Android worked pre-Gingerbread. They added this stupid "feature" because people were allegedly too dumb to figure out that they needed to turn the wifi OFF if they were connected to a wifi network with a captive portal that wouldn't give them internet access, in order to get any internet access at all. If you want me to get more specific, I believe Verizon wanted it (I worked for the Wi-Fi team at a major Wi-Fi chip maker at the time so we were dealing with issues like this, and our driver had to interact with the Android framework in the proper manner). But rather than educate people, they put a hack on top of it that breaks things in other scenarios. |
Originally Posted by moondog
(Post 31349012)
Again with the --this is not to be construed as advice-- caveat, many car rental companies don't care if renters have Chinese licenses.
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Originally Posted by STS-134
(Post 31348294)
I'm not sure what you're talking about. I've used Chinese SIM cards in my Galaxy Nexus and Nexus 5 and didn't have any issues, even though the "no network" symbol with the "x" on it showed up over the LTE connection symbol. The real issue occurs when you use a foreign SIM and try to get on WiFi. When you get on WiFi, the phone will connect to it, but will think it has no internet connection. In order to force it to use the WiFi, you have to swipe down from the top and click on "Mobile Data" to kill the LTE connection (which forces it to use the WiFi) and THEN you turn on your VPN. And when you leave the WiFi coverage area, you have to do the reverse to disable VPN and re-enable LTE. Extremely annoying. I was thinking of getting a VPN router for my wife's parents' house just so I don't have to deal with this crap. And I've complained Google about this for the past 3 years and they just don't seem to care.
Furthermore, the wi-fi fix you describe seems rather long-winded. There is a one-time fix that can be applied, but I can't recall the precise steps: I seem to recall it had something to do with adding a second user account then deleting it...I'm sure googling it can come up with the answer.. tb |
Originally Posted by 889
(Post 31350534)
Nothing immoral about driving without a license in China.
It's just plain dumb. But there is a silver lining. If you’re in an accident and can't produce a license, you won't have to worry whether your ”lodging" will properly register you with the PSB. |
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