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Originally Posted by minhaoxue
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With regards to Tiktok, they are in talks with Microsoft to take over their US, Australian, New Zealand Operations. There was a report Microsoft wants to purchase all of Tiktok. They are floating a 30-50 Billion dollar price. I guess we will see what happens to Tiktok and Wechat in 45 days. On a side note, India really went to town banning dozens of Chinese apps.
I think India's problems with China is far bigger than the US. Whether we agree with the decision or not, India is clearly not afraid of challenging China despite being the weaker power. |
Originally Posted by YuropFlyer
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I totally agree with moondog.
Unfortunatately, the economical assault by the US dictatorial regime against WeChat does involve politics. |
Originally Posted by moondog
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Let them block it. I will hook mom up with Ast. Nobody else seems to care. Tiktok is a game changer. They have way less capital than Tencent, but they are well positioned to top Wechat.
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Originally Posted by moondog
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Tencent made a half hearted attempt to enter the US market about 8 years ago. They gave up and focused on South America. If the US blocks them, we won't lose any sleep, and trump will look good.
TT is a different beast. I don't fully understand it yet, but it has serious momentum. Basically, during the course of the past 20 years, we went from actually calling each other to SMS, msn, and finally wx. Tik tok is the new frontier. Again, they're two different platforms serving different audiences. Maybe I'm missing something here, but I don't see how you can draw such a conclusion. |
Originally Posted by lsquare
(Post 32603477)
TikTok and WeChat are two different platforms serving different needs. I'm not sure how you can even say TikTok is well positioned to top WeChat.
-they have a sizable user base -expanding into messaging is not difficult -Wechat has become a bit tired, and has already had a 9 year run (i.e. longer than MSN during its heyday) -that having been said, Tencent has A LOT more capital at its disposal, and continues to add new features to Wechat |
Originally Posted by lsquare
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A couple of things. If WeChat is blocked, believe me, it'll be headlines around the world.
Why are you using WeChat to talk to your mom? Does FaceTime work in China? If so, you should use it and you'll get encryption. I never tried FaceTime in China, but I recalled iMessage worked for me before. 2. Facetime certainly works with VPN, but I didn't want to overload my mom with apps 3. I actually don't think wx will get killed in the US, but if it does, I think switching to a different app is probably easier than walking mom through the VPN process |
Originally Posted by moondog
(Post 32603489)
I happen to work in this space, and Tiktok most certainly wants to topple Wechat.
-they have a sizable user base -expanding into messaging is not difficult -Wechat has become a bit tired, and has already had a 9 year run (i.e. longer than MSN during its heyday) -that having been said, Tencent has A LOT more capital at its disposal, and continues to add new features to Wechat |
Originally Posted by moondog
(Post 32603496)
1. We've been using Wechat for years
2. Facetime certainly works with VPN, but I didn't want to overload my mom with apps 3. I actually don't think wx will get killed in the US, but if it does, I think switching to a different app is probably easier than walking mom through the VPN process |
[QUOTE=lsquare;32603500]At this point in time, TikTok is mostly video right? WeChat is more than just messaging as you know. If TikTok wants to be the next WeChat, it's going to take years and massive amount of investment to get there. At the end of the day, if TikTok builds it, will the users come? If you're in WeChat, what do you gain by going to TikTok?[/QUOTE]
1. Yes, Tiktok is mostly video, but expanding their messaging capabilities is pretty easy 2. Payment, which requires bank integration plus infrastructure, is a much larger hurdle 3. Completely replicating Wechat would certainly require a lot of investment, but they don't need to everything at once 4. The user base is already pretty solid; I'm not a fan, but kids seem to love it, and my clients want to engage them as they get older 5. Personally, I see no obvious advantages to Tiktok from a user standpoint; it just happens to be a hot product 6. Wechat was not appreciably different from QQ when it first launched (same source code, even). However, people gravitated towards it because it was new |
Originally Posted by lsquare
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Will FaceTime work without VPN in China?
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Originally Posted by moondog
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I don't think so, but I'm not positive because I don't have it installed currently. My backups are Hangouts and Whatsapp, both of which require VPN. I prefer Wechat because the voice quality is better.
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Originally Posted by lsquare
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FaceTime is pre-installed on both iOS and macOS. It is not available on any other OS.
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Originally Posted by moondog
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Thanks for the tip. I don't have an iPhone, and I rarely use my Mac. Mom is droid only, so I've been trying to think of ways to make this as easy as possible for her in the event wx is actually blocked in the US. VPN setup would likely drive her bonkers, so Hangouts might be the best bet.
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Originally Posted by lsquare
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I guess I'll have to test out FaceTime next time I'm back in China then. My thinking is that if iMessage worked, FaceTime should work as well.
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FaceTime works fine in china. The obvious issue is that both parties need to be on the Jobs/Cook train.
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